OUR NEXT MANAGER?
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CroJack
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We had a pretty good squad i the beggining of the last season, though short in some positions. We needed one more striker and one more centre-back. And that's it. Don't tell me this is not a good Championship starting XI:
Mulder - Olsson/Naughton, Carter-Vickers, Van der Hoorn, Roberts/Naughton - Grimes, Fer, Celina - Routs, McBurnie, Dyer
Bench: Nordfeldt, Rodon, Naughton, Carroll, Fulton, James, Montero, McKay
The trouble is Potter was chopping and changing all the time instead of playing our strongest XI and gradually indroducing our youngsters.
Correct, but Potter was here for a long term project so the results last season didn't matter. Potter said many times he was not interested in results. We accepted the (bad) results as the first step in our development.
It depends on who you are. Strong personalities are strong anyway, they see a failure as a a part of the game. When weak personalities fail they start questioning themselves, some of them even commit suicide.
Success can be even more powerful teacher. It gives you confidence and extra energy. Has Pep Guardiola ever been sacked? Why would you need failures, scratches and scars to be successful? And what is success in our situation? We have a weaker squad than last season. We have lost Olsson, Carter-Vickers, Fer, James, Carroll, Bony...We'll probably lose Grimes, McBurnie and Montero. If we play some good attacking football and finish mid-table I'll consider it as a great success.
Most ruthless defences are in the Premier League. I'm not impressed with the Championship defences. 14 Championship teams conceded 60+ goals last season. That's definitelly not a definition of defensive ruthlessness. Championship is not what it was 30 years ago.
Agree, a rolling contract would be much better.
When I knew and worked with Clive Thomas I met Keith Cooper a few times after Clive introduced me to him. At that time Clive was regarded as one of the best referees in the world (certainly that was his opinion
- I didn't disagree) and he acted as a sort of mentor for Keith who was just starting to make his way in the game. There weren't many Welsh refs in the game and they naturally gravitated together. When Keith took a game I could often see some of Clive's mannerisms and ways showing through although he probably would never agree with that. 
CJ I'm never sure of what your definition of ruthlessness is. I said championship defenders were ruthless inasmuch as fouling ,hacking etc..
You list 14 Championship sides conceded 60 goals last season, do you never attribute any of those goals to good attacking play?
Yankee_Jack
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As you affirm my earlier point .... Failure and adversity sorts out the wheat from the chaff, which is exactly why you hire people that have been so seasoned.CroJack said:
Success rarely if ever teaches any lessons, as there is rarely an incentive to reflect and review. Confidence and energy without wisdom can lead a person to accelerate into the next situation without due care and attention.
True Pep has never been sacked. He is one of a rare few in his profession. However, Pep has had more than his share of fuckups and moments of adversity. Pep expends tremendous energy reflecting on those moments and learning from them. It is these moments that has honed his abilities and taken him from strength to strength. A biography of his first season at Munich is full of such moments. When he is culpable he will often admit to his players that that situation was on him and not them. Pep has enjoyed the success he has because of his failures and his ability to process, learn and apply that wisdom gained. As a practitioner of his art he has been fortunate to handle, for the most part, superb talents and athletes ... players that have had the capacity to reverse or minimize the impact of Pep’s weakest decisions, whereas a less fortunate coach with lesser players may have been totally undone
Yankee_Jack
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Oh how history repeats!!!. Your point is exactly why I keep referring to Sousa who suffered a similar loss of key players and 40 goals from the previous season’s squad when he took over from Martinez. This is not a situation for a coach who has never dealt with adversity before ... as a player or as a coach / manager. This is a moment for a wise head that has played at the top level of the game, in critical situations, and has been burned a few times coaching at the senior level. A person that has either witnessed as a player how a coach deals with such a situation or how he as a coach has learned under trial by fire. Sousa turned a projected -23 goal difference, a guaranteed relegation condition, to missing out on the playoffs on goal difference .... by teaching a leaky defense how to defend, without a recognized / useful #9, and nothing but shit support from the board.CroJack said:
Maybe Potter left as much to avoid a looming train wreck and the blot on his CV as to get a chance at managing in the Prem. Brighton provide a convenient exit
CroJack
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Of course I do, but there is a lot of poor defending in the Championship. We are a good example how not to defend set-pieces and crosses from open play.
Ok, you call it ruthlessness, I call it physicality.
Ruthless tackles are when players don't care whether they break your leg or not. I didn't see many of those last season in the Championship. Being ruthless means that you don't care about other people's emotions and pain caused to others when deciding what you need to do.
A tipical example of a ruthless manager is Pep Guardiola. He needed only one year to get rid of all players who didn't fit in his style of play. No mercy at all. Players who lacked pace, technical ability, work rate and were not intelligent enough to understand what he was trying to do. That's why Pep has had an instant success in the domestic competitions. Klopp, on the other hand, is not ruthless enough, he hugs his players and give them a chance after chance as long as they give 100% and as long as they have pace and work rate. Technical ability and intelligence not so much, because he bases his style of play on intensity and high pressing. Klopp needed four years to fix his defence and win a major trophy, Pep needed only one.
Marcelino is another example of an extremely ruthless manager. When he took over at Valencia a couple of years ago he immediately got rid of 16 players. He acted like a surgeon snd since he has had a great success with Valencia. Yes, the same Marcelino who was not good enough for Jenkins when we sacked Monk.
Ok, so you said in a post a week or so back that Cameron Toshack should be ruthless, I questioned what you meant but no reply..
Plus he had good financial back up.
Borini
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Seems Leon and Curt were fully involved in the choice of new manager..see link below
The ultimate factor that convinced Swans that Cooper was the man
The ultimate factor that convinced Swans that Cooper was the man
Yankee_Jack
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So Cooper it is .... now back him with good player acquisitions and fight like crazy not to let any of our other talented young players walk out the door. Let's do it right, time for the Club to do it right ... by Cooper, by the squad, and by us supporters.
It would appear that Curt & Leon had no say in drawing up the short list. As the article reads,
'It was a drawn out process, but chairman Birch whittled the figure down to a short list and conducted an interview process with Curtis & Britton.' so it would seem the options available to them were what Birch considered to be the finalists.
By then the options weren't great.
'It was a drawn out process, but chairman Birch whittled the figure down to a short list and conducted an interview process with Curtis & Britton.' so it would seem the options available to them were what Birch considered to be the finalists.
By then the options weren't great.
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Borini
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Borini
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The way I read it Curt & Leon were involved in the whole process, however like it or not we are now supporting Cooper's black and white army. Let's give the guy a chance, I did not want Brendon.... Shows how much I know lol.
Don't shoot the messenger, I just repeated word for word what the article said about selecting the short list.
OK so you shot me, but I have a few dying words to say on the issue.
I still believe as the article stated Birch in conjunction with the yanks whittled it down to a shortlist of 4 or 5., not on a managerial basis, but on a financial basis.
Lets not run away with the idea Birch gives SCFC his 100%, he has his finger in the pies in 2 or 3 similar jobs, inc. MD of a finance company which I would think takes at least equal time to us.
Initially the yanks said he would be solely responsible for the appointment of a new manager, why not? its always been the chairmans job. Did Birch see this as too much responsibility due to the string of previous appointments, therefor did his idea to include Leon and Curt in the final selection mean that if this one went tits up the finger pointing wouldn't be 100% at him.. Just a thought !
Yankee_Jack
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Compared to previous hiring cycles while we were in the Championship, this go around was decidedly lack luster in the names that finally made the "short" list or the list that didn't want much coin.
Yankee_Jack
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There are a couple of interviews with him on the Swan's site today in which he speaks very well about his journey to this point and his approach. He comes across as a pragmatic individual. I'm looking forward to seeing what he produces with what he's inherited.