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CroJack

Key Player
Stoke City 0 Wigan Athletic 3. Pleased to report that Agents Allen and Williams are working well for us. Joe gave away a penalty from which Wigan scored and Ash got himself sent off for the second time in three games. Keep it going, lads, we need all the help we can get. :love::ROFLMAO:
Is agent Clucas at Stoke as well?
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
BRISTOL CITY - With all due respect to our West Country neighbours, I haven't much to say here. The club was formed in 1894, play at Ashton Gate, which has a capacity of 27,000 and last season tailed off to finish in 11th position after being well placed for a tilt at the play off positions. Nickname is The Robins and they play in red tops and white shorts with red socks.

Their manager is Lee Johnson, son of recently sacked Cheltenham manager, Gary. As far as I can see, they have NO major honours (much like us until Michael Laudrup came along) but the Robins did win the Welsh Cup in 1933/34. Surprised me did that!! I remember being taken to Ashton Gate when I was a kid to watch the Swans being taken apart 0-4. In those happier days, supporters were allowed to mingle and I asked a Bristol supporter stood next to me about the difference between a Robins fan and a Rovers fan. He explained that, 'Rovers are the working-man's team' with some pride. I can only think that he went to the game hoping to see City lose!

But I went again on 14 October 1989 with my son and his friend. I was thinking of buying a Saab Turbo for my business and my car dealer mate used to let me have a car for a week or two so I could try it out and "live" with it before buying. Anyway, I thought a run to Bristol would be a good test drive for starters and off we went. Loved that motor!! As another mate said, 'it goes like greased shit off a shovel'. Brought us luck that day as well. We had a comfortable 3-1 win with loanee John Salako (great player) scoring twice along with the much maligned Paul Raynor, whom I actually rated. (as did Brian Clough come to that). Sting in the tail though because in the reverse fixture at the Vetch they tuned us 5-0!! :(

Just to finish, it was my misfortune to miss the best game of all as I was on a weekend audit but did manage to listen when the Swans tuned them 7-1 and from what my gleeful mates told me, it should have been 8 !! Oh, well, can't watch 'em all. But here it is and Leon scores as well!

 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Remember that well, one of those games when you make everything count. but will settle for the three points on Sat.
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Boro score a last minute goal to win 1-0 against WBA. 0-0 would have been a good result for us.
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
MILLWALL FC - Founded in 1885 as Millwall Rovers in Bermondsey, South London on the Isle of Dogs. They play at the New Den, still called The Den, with a capacity of 20,146. The Dockers Stand is named after the workers who mainly supported them when they were first formed. Now managed by former player and club legend, Neil Harris, they finished a respectable 8th in last season's Championship. Club captain is prolific striker Welsh international, Steve Morison. Nickname, The Lions and colours are blue tops and socks with white shorts.

The team spent two years in the top flight in 1988/90 but mainly have been a yo-yo club in the lower divisions. They were FA Cup finalists in 2004 and were semi-finalists in 1900, 1903, 1937 and 2013. Former notable players include: Teddy Sheringham, Steve Claridge, Tony Cascarino, Tim Cahill, Alex Stepney, Keith Weller, Dennis Wise and Mick McCarthy amongst others.

On a personal note I have no particular memories of any game against Millwall, so I have nothing to share. But I'm hoping that will change if we grab a famous win against them tomorrow. :) COYS!!!
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
I once played for London Uni against a Millwall XI consisting of their two first team CBs - Barry Kitchener and Mel Blyth (both nasty pieces of work on their day) - some "star" midfield player coming back from injury - and the rest a mix of combination players. It was at Motspur Park, then University of London's athletics ground, that now belongs to Fulham and is used as their training ground. Anyway, half-time it was 1-0 to them. We all thought we were fucking awesome. Through the wooden walls separating the two changing rooms under the main stand, there was a loud bang as the door was slammed shut and their coach lit into each an every one of them - it was brutal. We trot out for the second half ..... 15 minutes in it was 4-0 and their star midfield player had drilled the cross-bar twice from 30+ yards out. Needless to say normal service was resumed shortly thereafter when they had made it 5-0.
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
NOTTS FOREST - One of the few clubs at our level who could rightfully be described a "sleeping giant", they have an illustrious history with some of the biggest names in football being associated with them. Founded in 1865 by a group of Shinty players, they now play at the City Ground, capacity 30,445, just a matter of 300 yards away across the river Trent from Notts County's home at Meadow Lane. They play in red tops and socks with white shorts and nicknames include, Forest, The Reds and archaically, Tricky Trees. The club finished in 17th place in last year's table and presently sit in 14th position with 7 points from 6 games under manager Aitor Karanka.

Honours include: First Division Champions in 1977/78, Runners up 1966/67 and 1978/79.
European Champions in 1978/79 and 1979/80 under Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.
FA Cup Winners: 1897/98 and 1958/59. Finalists in 1990/91
League Cup Winners: 1977/78, 1978/79, 1988/89, 1989/90. Finalists 1979/80 and 1991/92
Charity Shield Winners: 1978
EUFA Super Cup 1979. Finalists 1980


Famous managers include Clough and Taylor, Dave Mackay, Stuart Pearce, Ron Atkinson, David Platt, Joe Kinnear and Steve McLaren. There are far too many famous players to name but include the first £1 million pound transfer fee they paid Birmingham City for Trevor Francis. Others include, Roy Dwight (Elton John's uncle), Colin Addison (briefly Swan's manager), Ian Storey-Moore, Terry Hennessey (ex Wales captain and father of Wales' keeper Wayne), John Robertson, Martin O'Neill (current ROI manager), Tony Woodcock, Viv Anderson (first black player capped by England), Roy Keane, Gary Birtles, John McGovern, John O'Hare, Larry Lloyd, Kenny Burns, Archie Gemmill, Peter Shilton, Nigel Clough, Steve Webb, Stan Collymore, Des Lyttle (ex Swan), David Johnson and many others. Younger posters will find some of those names strange but, believe me, you had to be GOOD to play in the Forest team in their heyday, with most of them quality international players.

Of course the halcyon days were under Clough and Taylor. I had the pleasure of meeting and talking at length to both when my friend Clive Thomas the referee (himself a big mate of Cloughie), invited Forest to play a charity match at Ninian Park in aid of the Boys' Club of Wales of which Frankie Vaughan the singer was also a patron. In Hospitality after the game, I grabbed the chance to speak with Clough who was really generous with his time and we seemed to hit it off. The amount of knowledge and information he imparted to me that evening was little short of incredible and I learned so much about the game that I didn't know. We'll never see his like again.

As for memorable games there can only be two for me. The first I watched on telly in my mate's house when we held on for that fabulous 0-0 after being reduced to 10 men early doors. The other, of course, was when I saw us beat Forest at the Liberty 3-1 with Pratley's famous last minute goal sealing the deal. Next stop Wembley and the rest is history.

But I will finish with two games that took place when we were both in the First Division. The first was at the Vetch on December 12th 1981 when we lost 1-2 in front of 17,500 people including me. Robbie James scored for us. The second game on May 8th 1982 at Forest, we won 2-0 with Robbie getting another two. I was working that day and totally gobsmacked when I heard the result. Not many teams beat Forest on their own patch in those days. And we deserved the win according to Cloughie. Great memories.
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
STOKE CITY - the second oldest professional football club in the world after Notts County founded in 1863 as Stoke Ramblers. After years at the Victoria Ground they now play at the bet365 Stadium with a capacity of 30,089. Team colours are red and white striped tops with white shorts and socks. They finished 19th in the Premier League last season and were relegated along with us. Presently they sit 20th in the Championship with 6 points under manager Gary Rowett. Their only major honour was winning the League Cup in 1972 when they beat Chelsea 2-1.

My abiding memory of Stoke when they were in the First Division in the 70s was that they seemed to offer a home for famous players who had passed their peak but were seeking to eke out their careers at the top by playing for Stoke. (The club seemed to benefit in this regard by its geographical position where they could attract players from the North and the Midlands who didn't have to uproot their established homes to play there). They include amongst very many: Peter Shilton, Lee Dixon, Mick Mills, Howard Kendall, Jimmy McIlroy, Stanley Matthews, Jimmy Greenhof, Dennis Viollet, Alan Hudson, Mike Pejic, Chris Kamara, George Eastham, Mickey Thomas and Glen Johnson. There are so many more that I've omitted and older posters will recognise some really great footballers in that list. The Swansea connection includes Robbie James, John Mahoney (Tosh's cousin and an integral part of his team), James Beattie, Joe Allen, Wilf Bony and Harry Gregg (former manager). Oh, and Billy Whitehurst played for them amongst another dozen or so clubs he represented. Why mention him? Because in an era of genuine hard men such as Tommy Smith, Graham Souness, Norman Hunter and so on, Whitehurst was deemed to be the hardest and most feared player ever in the British game. He was a centre forward that put the fear of God into defenders, many of whom suddenly discovered that they had 'pulled a muscle' or similar, the day before having to face him. I heard an absolutely hilarious true story about him, which has to be told rather than written about. When I have the time I'll post it but you'll have to imagine the characters involved, and their voices, to fully appreciate it. I loved it. Right up my street it was. :)

Memorable games? Has to be our 1964 cup run in the 5th round when we went to the Victoria Ground to see the Swans grab a 2-2 draw against their First Division opponents after being two goals down (from memory). My parents, girlfriend (later to become Jackodiamonds mother) and I drove up through mid Wales in our Sunbeam Rapier. My parents explored the 'glories' of Stoke town centre whilst fiancee and I went to the game. My abiding memory was Swans and Stoke supporters standing together (no segregation then) behind one goal in a total attendance of 40, 444. And to be honest listening to their supporters singing City, City, Shake to the tune of the Swinging Blue Jean's Hippy Hippy Shake was fabulous.

Stanley Matthews and Jimmy McIlroy, the brilliant ex Burnley inside forward legend, who passed away this week, got their goals and Keith Todd (I played against him and his brother, Hughie? - Clydach boys) got our two. Our strip was outrageous to say the least by standards of the time. From memory we played in bright orange shorts with white tops. "Ugh, it's just BILIOUS", moaned one Stoke female supporter standing next to me. Bilious or not we took them back to the Vetch for the replay.

On February 18th in front of 29,582 supporters including me :) we beat First Division Stoke City 2-0 with another goal from Toddy and one by Jimmy McLaughlin (what a great player for us was Jimmy Mac - unsung hero). This earned us the right to face yet another First Division club in the 6th round, this time the mighty Liverpool. And we beat them as well, by 2-1 at Anfield - perhaps the shock of the decade. Happy times!
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
MIDDLESBOROUGH FC: Founded in 1876 the club play at the Riverside Stadium with a capacity of 34,000 under the management of Welshman Tony Pulis. Team colours are red tops with white detailing, white shorts and red socks. Knickname is Boro and they currently sit 2nd in the table with 17 points from 8 games after finishing in 5th spot last season. They were the first football club in the world to launch its own TV channel in 1997 a year ahead of MUTV, which claims to be the first to do so. Like us, their only major honour is the League Cup won in 2003/04.

Notable players include Brian Clough who scored 197 goals in 213 appearances with a total of 251 in 274 appearances before injury ended his career - an incredible stat even though most of his goals were not scored at the top level. Boro seem to have a knack of producing goal scorers as George Camsell once scored 59 goals in a season second only to the legendary Dixie Dean of Everton who got 60. Our own legend, Mel Nurse played for Boro back in 1962/65. Then there were the likes of Alf Common, the first £1,000 transfer in football; Gareth Southgate; Jonathan Woodgate; Graeme Souness; Juninho and, back in the day, George Hardwick (England captain) and the fabulous Wilf Mannion.

The following players/managers were inducted in the English Football Hall of Fame - Clough, Paul Gasgoine, Viv Anderson, Bryan Robson, Mannion, Jack Charlton, Souness, Nobby Stiles, Malcolm Allison, Terry Venables and Steve Bloomer whilst Souness and Gordon Strachan were inducted into the Scottish equivalent.

I have no particular memories of games against Boro other than when we played them at the Vetch in the 1980s when they were a First Division club. I was living in Cardiff at the time and actually followed the team coach down the M4 and I remember thinking that we were going to give them a tuning as we were playing well at the time. We lost 0-5 !! It was one of those games where we were by far the better team but we just couldn't score. Yet every time they got in our half, they did - including a then worldie overhead kick by a player called Terry Cochrane if my memory serves me well.

Sorry that this has been rushed and reads like it but I forgot to do it and had to squeeze it into a frantically busy schedule today. :oops:
 

Ladygargar

Fox in the Box
Staff member
It’s going to be tough today I think......but they’re all tough actually when I think about it; at least the boys are rising to the challenge not like the lazy Prima-donnas of last year.......COYS!!!
 
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