Jimmy Thelin

jackodiamonds

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Looks like the Swansea brass are finally listening to @CroJack and have (allegedly) started looking to the frozen north for inspiration. It's not Kjetil Knutsen, it's Jimmy Thelin.

He's the Elfsborg manager. His most recent record is 20 wins in 30 games (4 draws, 6 losses), +33GD (59 scored, 26 conceded), finished 2nd in the league on goal difference to Malmo. Third best attack and second best defence in the league.
  • favours 4-2-3-1
  • plays a high press
  • looks to turn opposing defensive errors into scoring chances with quick transitions
  • plays a mid-block defensively, sometimes falling into 4-4-2 to accomplish this
  • uses "pressing triangles" to force turnovers
His side are more interested in gegenpressing than possession dominance, so at the risk of oversimplifying he's more more Klopp than Pep.

Some analysis here.
 
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jackodiamonds

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One particularly interesting aspect of Elfsborg's last campaign is that they had a low possession stat compared with the other sides around them at the top of the table. Here's a comparison of the order the teams finished in the table vs most possession stats (top 6):

Malmo64.7%, 1st for possession
Elfsborg46.4%, 10th
Hacken57.1%, 2nd
Djurgarden53.4%, 5th
Varnamo54.7%, 3rd
Kalmar54.5%, 4th

Elfsborg's 10th best possession stat in the division looks really out of place here. There's a general correlation in this division (as in most) between lots of possession and finishing high in the table, which makes basic logical sense. The problems come when coaches confuse correlation with causation and figure if only they can maintain high possession, they'll automatically win (Russell Martin).

As you're probably all aware, I love attack-minded coaches that never forget the point of the game is to score goals, so Elfsborg's lower possession stats don't scare me at all. In fact, I think they are encouraging.

Except for games in which the possession-heavy side is clearly of far superior quality to the opposition (like most premier league "big six" v "small fourteen" matchups, and I suspect like Malmo vs most of this division), possession is primarily a defensive strategy, not an offensive one. In many ways it's the aesthetes version of parking the bus.

The intention is the same - stop the opposing team scoring - but the approach is different, in this case keep the ball away from them rather than maintain a disciplined low defensive block and limit their opportunities to low percentage shots. The choice comes down to the type of players in the squad - the first requires good positional sense, technical skill and speed of thought, the second requires good positional sense and enormous concentration - but since points for style don't show up in the league table I could care less about looking good.

As I've said before, the act of shooting is to relinquish possession, and it seems that Thelin isn't scared to risk losing possession in order to win the game. This also suggests he has a lot of faith that his team can win the ball back quickly, if only to relinquish possession once again by shooting as soon as possible. For me, he has the right priorities.

Don't get me wrong, I like possession, but it should never eclipse shooting and scoring. We all sat through two seasons of footballing "telephone hold music" when Martin apparently decided possession was more important than shooting and scoring, and I'm not in a hurry to sit through any more displays of pre-pressing era retrogression, especially when they're only good for a 15th place finish. I'd rather Swansea were the pressing team and not the team being pressed, especially if it means more turnovers won in dangerous areas and therefore more shots, more goals, and consequently more wins.

For Elfsborg to finish so high, only missing out on the #1 spot due to goal difference, and yet hold such a low possession stat tells me these guys know that you win by scoring goals, and they must be excellent pressers and excellent counter-attackers. They also had the division's second best defence with a sub-50% possession stat and without parking the bus.

Also, since Elfsborg's counters generally come from turnovers in the opponents third, they don't need the pace associated with a counter-attacking team that breaks from deep, which is good for Swansea if they do get Thelin as there's not a whole lot of pace in that locker room.

It's probably just paper talk, but I'd be very interested to see Thelin in Swansea.
 
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jackodiamonds

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CroJack

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According to BBC:

"Notts County boss Luke Williams, Elfsborg's Jimmy Thelin and Kjetil Knutsen of FC Bodo/Glimt are among the names who have been considered by the Championship club (Swansea), though an appointment is not close."

This is the first time that Jimmy Thelin and Kjetil Knutsen have been mentioned as potential candidates for the Swans job. Even if we don't hire either of them, it's positive that the club hierarchy considers them suitable managers.
 
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KVetch

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According to BBC:

"Notts County boss Luke Williams, Elfsborg's Jimmy Thelin and Kjetil Knutsen of FC Bodo/Glimt are among the names who have been considered by the Championship club (Swansea), though an appointment is not close."

This is the first time that Jimmy Thelin and Kjetil Knutsen have been mentioned as potential candidates for the Swans job. Even if we don't hire either of them, it's positive that the club hierarchy considers them suitable managers.
Now those 3 names are the more likely candidates I suspect. Luke Williams would be interesting, he had that incredible season 107 points just behind Wrexham. His win rate at Swindon was just 26% but at Notes 58% in almost the same number of games. He was an assistant manager to Russel Martin at MK Dons which makes me think he wouldn't want to follow the same path. Knutsen has recently managed Champions League and Europa matches with Bodo/Glimt would he want to give that up?
 

ivoralljack

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Sheehan now evens favourite and Luke Williams 5/2. As usual there seems to be a good chance of us going for the cheapest option.
 

CroJack

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Have anyone here watched Notts County play? Luke Williams is obviously doing a good job there but we must not forget that they have a goal scoring machine Langstaff in their squad. If we sign Williams we should go for Langstaff as well.
 

ivoralljack

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Have anyone here watched Notts County play? Luke Williams is obviously doing a good job there but we must not forget that they have a goal scoring machine Langstaff in their squad. If we sign Williams we should go for Langstaff as well.
Agree. I said as much when Williams was first being touted for the job but I couldn't remember the striker's name. :LOL: I think his first name is Macauley or something like that. I believe he outscored Mullins when both their teams won promotion from the Conference and that took some doing!!
 

Yankee_Jack

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If any of these people - player and coach - were decent at all at our level they wouldn’t be where they are now. Jenkins took a bit of a gamble on Martínez, but he was to some extent a known quantity as a person. The following coaches were all at or above our previous level, it was only when we recruited from below us that we started to struggle. This trend we need to reverse
 

CroJack

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If any of these people - player and coach - were decent at all at our level they wouldn’t be where they are now.
You have to start somewhere. Ipswich were decent last season when they tore League One apart and they are tearing the Championship apart this season with the same manager and the same players.
There are some really good players in the lower EFL. Langstaff and Mullin for example.

Jenkins took a bit of a gamble on Martínez...The following coaches were all at or above our previous level...
Jenkins took a gamble on Rodgers as well. Rodgers left Reading by mutual consent on 16 December 2009, just over six months after his arrival, with Reading one place above relegation in the Championship.

it was only when we recruited from below us that we started to struggle.
I wouldn't say we struggled under Potter (recruited from the Swedish league), Cooper (never managed at senior level) and Martin (recruited from League One). In the last five seasons we averaged 9th place (10th, 6th, 4th, 15th and 10th) and in Cooper's second season we played a play-off final at Wembley.
 

Yankee_Jack

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I don’t see why we need to be gambling on a lower level starters making the leap up, landing on two feet and being able to coach the squad we have not the squad their “philosophy” dreams they have.

I was referring to the stream of wankers that followed Laudrup. Once in the Championship we lowered our sights yet again on recruitment. Potter came along as did Andy Pandy and did decent jobs in retrospect but struggled at various points in the season. Potter finished 10th but with a premiership squad bolstered with acquisitions and players that matured out of the academy. Martin and Duffer were torturous.

Rogers came in very well prepared regardless of how he left Reading. He’d had seasons coaching in the Chelsea system and was able to recruit Sinclair out of there.

I don’t see the point of recruiting from below when Sheehan is harvesting points and figuring out how to get a better tune from the squad and bad habits he inherited from Duffer. If we’re not going with Sheehan until season’s end then let’s get somebody in that Sheehan and the whole squad can look up to.
 
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Yankee_Jack

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To continue the thought in the last paragraph …. The next Head Coach should be someone with credentials that naturally generates an upward buzz in the club of respect and admiration, and can “speak” softly because everyone is tuned in. In contrast to the downward buzz of “who the fuck is this guy” as the newbie comes in full of vim and vigor claiming he has all the answers with t-shirts from lower levels that nobody gives a fuck about.

The classic example of the latter is BoBo who was actually video taped on the training ground “coaching” Leon how to pass. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ if it wasn’t on tape nobody would believe it. The level of internal disregard and disrespect is demonstrated by the Club PR people actually releasing the video.
 

CroJack

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I doubt if we can appoint someone with credentials that will naturally generate an upward buzz of respect and admiration within the club. Give me an example, what manager would that be?

And why exclude lower league managers and players? Last season, Kieran McKenna was a lower league manager, and his players were lower league players. Look at what they are doing to the higher league managers and players this season!

If you ask me I would go for attacking midfielder Aaaron Collins from Bristol Rovers in January transfer window. Already 3 goals and 8 assists this season, last season 16 goals and 11 assists. And he is Welsh.


And I'd rather have Poku and Mason-Clark in the squad than Bolasie and Yates.

 
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Yankee_Jack

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Simple examples: bring back Guidolin or Sousa. If Toshack is respected within the Club hire him.

Here's a list of available managers: Available managers.

Here's a list of available coaches: Available coaches

Some interesting names on both of those lists. Some with connections to us. Some that might fancy us as a project knowing their ability to deliver versus their hopes of achieving. Been there done that has more value when coming from above.
 

ivoralljack

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There's plenty of good and experienced people available most of whom would sneer at the pittance of a salary we'd offer. Add the fact that it's now well known that we also won't spend decent money to improve the squad, and the level of interest from managers/coaches who could really help us is close to zero. At best we'd be a stepping stone for those with greater ambition. Cameron would take it though. :)
 

Victoria Swan

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Add the fact that it's now well known that we also won't spend decent money to improve the squad,
Might have been true but our spend last summer shows we can have transfer market ambition.

Cameron would take it though
Please, please, give this man a chance. What's their problem with him? Proven at Swansea with the Unders, now let him prove with the first team.
 

ivoralljack

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Please, please, give this man a chance. What's their problem with him? Proven at Swansea with the Unders, now let him prove with the first team
As I mentioned in another post, a friend of mine was speaking to him recently. He said he was too outspoken for the Liberty suits. Seems they don't like being told how it is. Looks like young Tosh is a straight-talker like his dad, which doesn't fit in with the yes-men the owners like to surround themselves with.
 
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