Bye Bye Bidwell

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
Let's not forget ... that despite Andy Pandy ... Bidwell, Fulton, Cullen, Whitaker ... were all players that got us to the play-off finals. And all of a sudden, according to Martin, their shite. 🤦‍♂️

And where are we in the league today ...
 

CroJack

Key Player
I am trying to understand the logic behind Martin's decisions, and when it comes to Jake then I think it's about Jake's inability to dribble and pass the ball forward. Jake is, as you all know, hopelessly left-footed. When there is an opposition player in front of him he has to turn around and pass the ball backwards. He simply can't pass the ball with his right foot. Jake has qualities, no doubt about it, but he is not a passer.
 

CroJack

Key Player
Bidwell, Fulton, Cullen, Whitaker ... were all players that got us to the play-off finals. And all of a sudden, according to Martin, their shite.
Cullen and Whittaker were not the players that got us to the play-off finals. Under Steve Cooper they scored one goal each, and didn't play much.
As for Bidwell (see my post #10) and Fulton, the fact that Martin hasn't used them much doesn't mean he thinks they are shite. Let's say he thinks they don't fit into his system. I think he is wrong about Fulton, but he is the manager and he is responsible if anything goes wrong.
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
The players ... Bidwell, Fulton, Cullen, Whitaker ... were part and parcel of a squad that reached the play-off final. They each made greater / lesser contributions based on their role and opportunities given ... but they were in the mix and considered value for money in a squad that achieved more under Andy Pandy than Martin's selected squad have achieved under him.

We now find ourselves with Patterson in a sulk, and Martin has elected to use last season's lesser of the lesser players (Manning, Lati) in preference.

Now I wouldn't give a damn if Martin had us bobbing up and down in the top 6 ... but we're not. And Martin's results, to be honest, have been lack luster and demonstrated a degree of vulnerability defensively, despite a plethora of defenders and defensive midfield players on the field, than we had all of last season - even when Andy Pandy forsake his 3+2 that had given us the best defensive and GA numbers in the league. I hate having to use Andy Pandy as a comparative but it's the best one we have.

We now find ourselves in the silly position of having scattered players to lower leagues and to our competition that a season ago we would have thought quite highly of. Begs the question ... is this "system" worth it. I am not talking about technical excellence, high tempo, pass+move quality factors that were the hallmarks of prior vintages of Swanselona. I am talking about the organization and player utilization in a system where our "CBs" go walk about and all too often are hovering not far from the edge of the opposition penalty box and one of our defensive midfield players is holding deep to give Naughton some company. Where we struggle for width. Where our #9 who was scoring for fun earlier in the season has gone almost goal dry because service into the box is slim to nothing. Martin has coached our #9 and his supporting actors into a goal drought. And it has to be said that many of Piroe's goals were of his own making from outside the box ... no team is giving him that room anymore ... I guess they have coaching in those teams.

I'd like to see progress, but I'm seeing 3 steps forward and 3 steps back - and in some games 2 steps forward and 3 steps back. I see a persistence of square pegs in round holes. I see a setup where the players serve the system, not the system serve the players. The Forest shambles being the pinnacle of the problem. We are not beating teams, we are being contained too comfortably, and undone through sucker punches aided by our own deficiencies.

If our walk-about roving CBs were ... let's say Bobby Moore-esque with a flash of speed ... it would be a different story, but their quality is not all that and then some. The goal we conceded against Huddersfield is one that should not have happened ... we had plenty of defending players in our box ... just none of them did the proper jobs that quality players typically do by rote. The cross wasn't blocked and Christy wasn't exactly busting a gut to contain and block, and nobody paid any attention or made any attempt to get tight and goal side of the scorer who could have had a tea and biscuit before taping the ball into the net. And little needs to be said of Hamer failing to hold onto a poke at goal that really didn't have much sting on it and gifting the tap in.

I don't see a plan. I see arguably our best #10 (Oli N) not being the first name on the team sheet and not playing a full 90 minutes. I see a player of Fulton's quality sitting in the stands while others get ample time to produce limited results. I see a player of Benda's technical ability being loaned out to Peterborough where he might just make the difference ... surely, surely, in four months we could have coached some pragmatism into his embrace and expression of Martin's Madness ... but Martin clearly panicked and gave up on him. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Cullen and Whittaker were not the players that got us to the play-off finals. Under Steve Cooper they scored one goal each, and didn't play much.
As for Bidwell (see my post #10) and Fulton, the fact that Martin hasn't used them much doesn't mean he thinks they are shite. Let's say he thinks they don't fit into his system. I think he is wrong about Fulton, but he is the manager and he is responsible if anything goes wrong.
Yes, he is the manager, and responsible if anything goes wrong, and things are going wrong. No wins in the last four games, another run like that will put us in serious trouble, and the next two games ain't going to be a pushover, PNE,& QPR.
Worth noting MKD's progress since his departure, now in the top five and haven't lost in their last six. Seems to be quite the reverse with us.
I think he is the most unpredictable manager we have had, (including Cooper) Players he ships out and then teams he selects doesn't seem to make any sense, and it seems results are showing it. Not sure that the squad has any confidence in him.
 

Behindthegoal

Key Player
Tricky, innit? If you don’t play Martinball you don’t get picked. If you’re not entirely adapted to Martinball, mentally and or physically, you can’t play it at pace. We need a plan B because the squad can’t yet play plan A.
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
There isn’t a Plan.B, because there can’t be a plan B. Our system doesn’t permit it.

One of the hall marks of previous successful managers was that when they made substitutions they didn’t change the system on the field. The insertion of a certain player into a particular role was sufficient to invoke a change since no two players have the same qualities and therefore express their role differently. It is the expression that makes the difference … this was the Plan B. Was Ki the same as JDG or Shelvey, or Pozuello … no but they could all slot in at #10 and produce dramatically different results because of their differences. This is the advantage of a simple system, where players can easily understand and execute when slotted in at a different role.

If Martin’s Madness cannot find a use and purpose for a player like Fulton then it’s a failed system … what a waste of a resource. Fulton, Benda, Bidwell, Cullen, Whitaker, Cooper, Dan Williams all have qualities that are being unused, disregarded, discarded. It’s insane. I try to judge managers not by results but their maximization of the output from the resources on hand … this is why I have the highest regard for Sousa who did remarkably well when dealt with a totally shit hand. Martin is not only failing to maximize resource output, he’s discarding bona fide resources. There isn’t a club at our level flush with the cash flow to tolerate such waste.

the Club has to operate with a long term vision. When Martin leaves as he invariably will sooner or later, where do we go with Martin’s Madness … what does the next manager inherit that’s useable - system wise, player wise. it was a continuity capable system that allowed HJ to hire a series of managers that were walking into “success” and just had to adapt / tweak to their unique circumstances - Sousa’s being the most negative since he inherited a void of goal scoring power.

We’re being wrecked by a cancer we’ve brought in house. Our academy system is struggling to adopt the Madness down through the age groups. Kids with years of programming under the Martínez Method are failing to adapt to Martin’s Madness. It’s idiotic. Did any of us sign up for this?
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
Well said. What next? Changing room revolt?
Can we afford to dump Martin's contract and move him on. Probably not, much the same way that we hung on to Andy Pandy longer than we should have. Martin needs to walk of his own accord, which is unlikely to happen unless he can attract another sucker ... I mean club chairman ... to take him on. This is also unlikely to happen at the moment, we're too low in the table to make Martin marketable.

I understand that not everybody is a happy camper at the Liberty ... and I'm not talking about contract sulkers. There are players that expect more, desire more, and are not happy with what's being delivered by others under the Martin regime. Not sure if there are enough of them, or whether they'd be ready to go to war to ring some changes ... it would probably be easier for their agent to move them on.
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
Martin might be moving on - or get moved on - as he's pestering the owners for money (with my blessing!).

"I'm not asking for the world," he's reported as saying. Just as well because all he's likely to get are a few grains of earth and told to plant a few seeds.
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
Those that bleat about a lack of funds are trying to hide their perception of their own failure. Interesting turn of events
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Just had a look on the Coventry Forum. They can't believe there luck having an experienced FB of his standing on a freebie.
Posts like "that's us sorted for the next three years" and " He's always been among the first on my Championship fantasy team " etc etc.
Martin may well live to regret this.
 
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