Williams is Gone

Yankee_Jack

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I think we can now be assured that our next head coach is going to be substandard. Coleman and this guy in particular will not hire someone that knows more than them. In fairness to HJ, he never had that problem until it came to Monk. Now i wonder why the previous Director of Football left. Seems like we’re heading into a dumbing down phase..

and we’re also playing musical chairs in other exec areas.
 

ivoralljack

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Ransay still favourite this morning but young Tosh has shortened to 20/1. My only reservation about him is that he hasn't had recent exposure to coaching at league level and may be out of touch. But he has undoubted talent. If we could afford Bilic I'd go for him but we could also look at innovative Scandy coaches as well as other promising foreign options. Perhaps we could take advantage of their contacts abroad and sign some players who've gone under the radar. Whatever, it's imperative that we appoint the right man this time otherwise.......
 

Yankee_Jack

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Yankee_Jack

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Appointing a new person before season's end and taking the duty away from Sheehan is a highly risky and foolhardy. Sheehan knows the squad, knows their strengths, their weaknesses, where their heads and hearts are and who can be counted on. A newbie will take weeks to figure this out and before he's finally got his arms around it, unless he defers to Sheehan, the season will be done. And, if he's deferring to Sheehan, then why not let Sheehan be the guy to call the shots anyway.
 

ivoralljack

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I agree. Sheehan does know the players and he should be aware of what they need to do to get us out of trouble. It's a big opportunity for him to prove himself and, if he can get us playing to our potential, I see no reason not to offer him a longer contract next season. Not too long mind you. It's too expensive to pay managers for failure. In the real world, if someone is fired for not doing their job properly or successfully, they get fuck all. It should be the same in football. And if the people concerned don't like it they can get a job doing something else. But I doubt they would.
 

ivoralljack

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Jesse Marsch, former Leeds manager in the Premier League, has now appeared as second favourite in the betting at 3/1. Whilst Leeds were ultimately relegated, he had a tough job after taking over from Bielsa and he did get Leeds playing some good football.

But here's the thing - Cameron Toshack was his #2 and I wouldn't be unhappy if that combo took the reins at the Liberty.
 

Yankee_Jack

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After watching the highlights from the 2018/19 Blackburn match, it struck me the number of solid front foot playing academy graduates we had in that start XI and on the bench (Rodon was on the bench). The quality and number of academy players coming through have dropped off dramatically since Toshack left. Is this just down to a bubble of talent we happened upon; or poor recruitment since; or poor coaching and development?

It bears analysis. Toshack and his co-manager did a fabulous job for us over a number of years. We developed excellent players that we should have kept ... and we'd be back in the prem now ... but at least we cashed in on.
 

Yankee_Jack

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To close out the record: over two seasons Williams coached 52 league matches, earned 61 points or 1.17 points per game, or 39% of possible points. He had a winning record of only less than 33%.

He came when we were 17th in the table and he went out when we were 17th. A rather non-descript tenure, not the worst, marginally better than Duffer, but frankly given better keeping Duffer might have ended up with a better record. In the last 20 years, only BoBo and Duffer were worse. Martin was better. Potter was way better. Cooper better still. Curt/Martinez still joint #1, then Rogers with the best winning percentages.
 

ivoralljack

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SkyBet have now stopped taking bets on Sheehan whilst he's 1/2 across the board with other bookies. Eric Ramsey has drifted to 6/1 whilst Jesse Marsch is now quoted at 10/1 along with Steven Gerrard. Love all this conjecture and guesswork :).
 

Yankee_Jack

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SkyBet have now stopped taking bets on Sheehan whilst he's 1/2 across the board with other bookies. Eric Ramsey has drifted to 6/1 whilst Jesse Marsch is now quoted at 10/1 along with Steven Gerrard. Love all this conjecture and guesswork :).
Interesting to see Gerrard's name in the mix. What a difference a win makes.
 

jackodiamonds

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The rest of the season doesn't need a tactical revolution, it just needs the players to play with a bit of confidence and keep it simple, which they did vs Blackburn. The players seem to like Sheehan and want to play for him. I'd say keep him in charge until the summer. He gets a half-season audition and Montague gets a few months rather than a few weeks to decide the most important managerial decision since Laudrup left.
 

ivoralljack

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Been reading that we're interested in Hibernian manager, David Gray 36, who's taken Hibs up to third place in the SPFL following a run of 15 unbeaten games. A Hibs' former skipper, he's doing well after a slow start but I have to wonder if the SPFL is a good enough grounding to manage a team in the cut-throat Championship. He's also not that much older than some of our players, so the question of locker room respect arises. At first glance not for me.
 

Yankee_Jack

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Been reading that we're interested in Hibernian manager, David Gray 36, who's taken Hibs up to third place in the SPFL following a run of 15 unbeaten games. A Hibs' former skipper, he's doing well after a slow start but I have to wonder if the SPFL is a good enough grounding to manage a team in the cut-throat Championship. He's also not that much older than some of our players, so the question of locker room respect arises. At first glance not for me.
Ditto that.
 

jackodiamonds

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This smacks of the old (and dangerous) "one good stat" recruitment policy:

Russell Martin -> suspiciously high possession in weaker division = "we'll take him!"
Luke Williams -> highest scoring team in weaker division = "can't miss!"
David Gray -> 15 games unbeaten in weaker division = "he's our man!"

Hopefully this is just agent or paper talk. This team needs a manager with multiple favourable boxes ticked, not one outlier stat which will mean nothing in a new environment. Proven experience at Championship or equivalent level would be a start.
 
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