WEMBLEY 2021

ivoralljack

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Dhanda simply can't hit the target. I think he's had 30 shots this season, and hit the target twice.
And worse, Cullen was lurking with his left foot cocked. :rolleyes: Dhanda is useless with his shooting most of the time - fancies himself but no one else does. So there we have it. The most important game this season, one that could have taken us to the PL yet we DIDN'T MANAGE ONE SHOT ON TARGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take a bow, Cooper, now fuck off and con someone else into employing you because, sure as Hell, if the supporters were polled almost 100% of them would vote you OUT.

His appointment made sense to the owners in one regard. They were never going to spend money on new players, so obviously Cooper made them aware of his connections to get young players on loan. Suited the Yanks down to the ground did that. No money to lay out and that is the ONLY reason that Cooper was appointed. But if there is a God, which frankly I've doubted since I reached adulthood and could make up my own mind, Palace or some team somewhere, anywhere will do, will take him off our hands and allow us to appoint a manager of proven ability to take our players forward. Cooper was never the answer and Curt, Leon & Co should take their share of the blame. Great players they certainly were but good judges of a manager? You're having a laugh!! Do NOT insult my intelligence nor that of the fans.

The worst thing is that Brentford are not so good...

...and we gifted them the game.
Quite right but they were professional, knew what they were doing and were easily the better team. So what does that say about us!!
 

The Blobster

Prediction Champ
Benda goes in goal, step up
Latibeaudiere comes in for Guhei , Whitaker , Cullen and Lowe up front , Roberts , Manning and Bidwell wing backs, Dhanda, Grimes, Fulton , Cooper and Smith in midfield, Naughts, cabango, Bennett, and Cooper in defense gives us a strong squad without Guhei, Ayew, Woodman and invisible.
All we need is a decent manager to make use of the talent listed above and we will have a team that should make a decent fist at promotion, if the Yanks can bring in 1 or 2 talented players and keep those listed above we will have one of the best squads in the division.
 

ivoralljack

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Latibeaudiere comes in for Guhei , Whitaker , Cullen and Lowe up front , Roberts , Manning and Bidwell wing backs, Dhanda, Grimes, Fulton , Cooper and Smith in midfield, Naughts, cabango, Bennett, and Cooper in defense gives us a strong squad without Guhei, Ayew, Woodman and invisible.
All we need is a decent manager to make use of the talent listed above and we will have a team that should make a decent fist at promotion, if the Yanks can bring in 1 or 2 talented players and keep those listed above we will have one of the best squads in the division.
Nice thought but I'm guessing that Roberts, Grimes and possibly Cabango will be off to pastures new. ** And, no, the Yanks WON'T spend any money on decent new players. We have been well placed all season for at least a play-off spot and maybe even automatic promotion but hardly a cent did they hand over - certainly none of their own money. Parasitic arseholes in my opinion.

Given that Ayew will also leave to play under a decent manager, far from challenging for promotion, I can see us struggling to avoid relegation particularly if Cooper stays and uses us to groom players for other clubs. I believe that he has been as disastrous for our footballing DNA as was Garry Monk and that is saying something. And Tate, who was part of the junta that ousted one of the best coaches we ever had, is now employed as one of the first team coaches!! God help us.

** The Yanks will need the cash to feed their investors.
 

ivoralljack

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Just to add more joy to the thread, Roberts and Grimes only have one year left on their contracts (bye bye) and there will be no more parachute payments to help sustain us. And let's not forget those greedy fuckers Jenkins and Morgan who sold OUR souls for their gain.

Quote from Cooper. "We are disappointed. We didn't win the game which is what we came here to do".

Really? Well, Mr Cooper, you're not going to win any game if you fail to get so much as ONE shot on target. On this of ALL days! Well coached, son. Despite two play-offs I contend that you have been an unmitigated disaster as our manager and I can't wait to see the back of you - just so long as they don't appoint Alan frigging Tate in your place!! Although our owners are just tight enough and stupid enough to do just that. Mind you, the one consolation from this sad day is that the fuckers will miss out on an absolute fortune. I can't tell you how happy that makes me. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

ivoralljack

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Just thought of another consolation. A small part of me is glad that we didn't go up because, knowing the Yanks wouldn't pay a penny to back us in the PL, we'd get hammered 5-0, or worse, on a weekly basis - especially as Cooper would no doubt be retained on an improved contract. At least there's now a decent chance we can be shot of him!

And now that the dust has settled, I hope that the Trust will have the balls to pursue the legal action they've been talking about and sue the conniving cnuts for every penny they can get.
 

CroJack

Key Player
I am not so disappointed with the defeat as much as I am disappointed with the two soft goals we conceded and the lack of a game plan.

Woodman has always been a disaster waiting to happen, but giving a penalty away so early in a so important game is just ridiculous. Then we have a throw-in in Brentford third and Naughton falls asleep instead of man-marking his player.

Then Fulton...
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
I’m not upset with Fulton, his red was unfortunate and VAR would have easily corrected the ref. He was putting in a shift and battling for the ball.

it appeared to me that we actually played better with 10 men than we did with Invisible on the field (also with 10 men). I’ll be glad when he ships back to Villa. Dhanda did not have much impact but he does better when we are counter attacking in a more open game with more space ahead of him. We compressed Brentford back into their third, which they were happy to do, and open space was limited.

Grimes worked his balls off for most of the game.
 

ivoralljack

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Whilst I am disappointed, of course, I'm not devastated or anything like as upset as I thought I would be. At least we've escaped the prospect of becoming the butt of everyones' jokes as being the worst team ever to play in the Premier League, which we surely would have been. Loss of income? We've lost nothing because the club would never have seen so much as a penny of it. DC United, of course, must be weeping in their coffees tonight - along with certain 'investors' whom I couldn't give a toss about. Good enough for all of them!!

But the Trust must now ramp up the legal action against the vultures who want to destroy our club in the name of greed. They have been playing us for idiots and getting away with it for far too long and it has to STOP. NOW!! As a member of the Trust I'm going to be on its back on a very regular basis until I see some tangible action. I shall post all details of progress and their response to my questions here and if anyone wants to join me in my efforts please pm me in early course. Seems to me that the Trust, along with the owners, need a rocket up their respective arses. We all saw what fan power did to the proposed ESL, so let's see what it can do for our Swans.
 

Jackflash

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I'm not sure I can put up with another season of Coopers side line fervour and enthusiasm running up and down the touch line screaming instructions at players who are not adhering to his game plan. Maybe he should adapt a more couldn't care less attitude, and put his hands in his pockets for next season.
I see he's now dropped to fifth in the Palace Odds, Wonder if yesterday had any bearing on it.?
 

CroJack

Key Player
Watching Pep Guardiola kissing the silver medal after the Champions League final. Respect.

Perhaps we should follow his example and be glad that we at least have had a chance to win the play-off final and be promoted. 18 Championship clubs hadn't.

In hindsight, we should have parked the bus, played 5-4-1, let Brentford attack, and tried to hit them on break. Exactly what they did to us.

Unfortunately, like many times this season, a couple of defensive errors, which were expertly converted by Brentford, cost us the game.

I said before the game that the team who scored first would win it. And it was especially important for us to score first. We don't have a striker of Ivan Toney's quality, and since Morgan Gibbs-White left we haven't had a quality atracking midfielder who is able to unlock a well organised team who parks the bus.

Had we had quality players in two crucial positions, a striker and attacking midfielder, I think we would've been promoted automatically.
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
If you listen to the commentators on Sky we failed and didn't show up. On the contrary, we expected better, much better, but we've known for weeks what and how we were playing / performing and why. There's no secret or rocket science to what has happened to this team since Jan/Feb when we were second in the table. What we got was par for the course given the team selected ... an old play in three acts, we've seen too many times not to know the script by heart.

As @CroJack ... there is some reflection to be done. We played 46 games to get to this point. 46 games to get it right. 46 games and managerially we were still left clueless in the end. The play-off finals should not have been necessary to get promotion given the matches we had in hand and the points and goal-difference we squandered along the way.

We now face next season with players one year older, one year wiser, one year needier in terms of better football. McB, James, Rodon moved on up. Roberts and Cabango must be itching to do the same ... or at least their agents are. What will we have left starting the season ... with most likely the same lame coaching team.

The dagger to the heart is if, given one season remaining, the Club elect to extend Andy Pandy's contract.
 

CroJack

Key Player
If you listen to the commentators on Sky we failed and didn't show up.
Sky, and other commentators were heavily biased during the match. We showed up and fought bravely even when we were down to 10 men. And in the first 20 minutes of the second half up til Fulton's red card there was only one team on the pitch. We attacked and attacked them relentlessly.
 

CroJack

Key Player
The play-off finals should not have been necessary to get promotion given the matches we had in hand and the points and goal-difference we squandered along the way.
Agreed. But look, even Brentford had a streak of poor form in the second half of the season when they lost four games in a row and allowed Watford to earn automatic promotion. Reading, who were all season in the top six, didn't even finish in the play-off places. The clubs with the best squads are promoted and that's a fact.
 

ivoralljack

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It was obvious to anyone who knows anything about football which was the better coached team on Saturday: Brentford by a country mile. It's not that they are that good a team but Frank gets the most out of them while Cooper, Marsh and Tate struggle to get our lot to perform the basics properly - and some of the basics we don't even see!!!

Man for man I don't think that Brentford are that much better than us (Toney apart) if at all. But they had a game plan and had been coached to execute it. They were quicker in deed and thought whilst our lot were struggling to impose much at all on the game. I repeat: NO SHOTS ON TARGET in a Final worth well over £100 million to the winners!! If that isn't a damning indictment of Cooper's tactics I don't know what is.

We needed energy in midfield to match their energy. What did we get? Mr Invisible instead of the far busier Smith. Our midfield are utter crap at creating goal scoring chances, so the few that came our way we HAD to convert. But where was our most natural goalscorer (Curt et al have described him as such)?????????? Sat on the bench that's where and only introduced with little time left on the clock, two goals and a man down. Great thinking, Cooper, it almost matched you bringing on a sub in the 5th minute of 6 minutes added time in a previous game. 😧

The clubs with the best squads are promoted and that's a fact.
It is also a fact that you need a manager who knows what he's doing to best utilise his squad. Cooper has shown time and again that he doesn't.
 

CroJack

Key Player
The play-off finals should not have been necessary to get promotion given the matches we had in hand and the points and goal-difference we squandered along the way.
We have to have a sober look at the quality of our squad. We have created enough chances to get 13 more points than we did, but we haven't converted these chances. With 93 points we would've earn automatic promotion.

@Yankee_Jack We have an attacking midfielder who has scored 1 goal. We have two young and inexperienced strikers who have scored 1 goal each.
Ayew and Lowe have scored 31 goals, which is excellent for wingers. I can't remember Andy Robinson's numbers per season but apart from Andy and Scott we haven't had a goalscoring wingers in this century. Dyer's record was 7 and Routs 5 goals per season.
 

CroJack

Key Player
It is also a fact that you need a manager who knows what he's doing to best utilise his squad. Cooper has shown time and again that he doesn't
No doubt about it, but even Laudrup wanted a prolific striker and in the summer 2013 threatened to leave if he didn't get one. One of his first signings was a goalscoring attacking midfielder.

I still remember Laudrup's words "I can teach my players how to come into the opposition third but then it's up to them." With other words, even the best managers have to rely on their players and their ability to convert chances. We have an attacking midfielder who needs 30 shots to hit the target twice and score one goal. Don't you think we would've been better off with Morgan Gibbs-White? Well, he played a couple of ganes, got injured and then recalled by his parent club. Cullen had a long-term injury as well. Then in January we signed Morris, who got injured, and Ariola, who was neither fit nor good enough.

Had Cooper had let's say Kiefer Moore as a striker, Gibbs-White as an attacking midfielder, and Ayew and Lowe on the wings...?
 

Jackflash

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No doubt about it, but even Laudrup wanted a prolific striker and in the summer 2013 threatened to leave if he didn't get one. One of his first signings was a goalscoring attacking midfielder.

I still remember Laudrup's words "I can teach my players how to come into the opposition third but then it's up to them." With other words, even the best managers have to rely on their players and their ability to convert chances. We have an attacking midfielder who needs 30 shots to hit the target twice and score one goal. Don't you think we would've been better off with Morgan Gibbs-White? Well, he played a couple of ganes, got injured and then recalled by his parent club. Cullen had a long-term injury as well. Then in January we signed Morris, who got injured, and Ariola, who was neither fit nor good enough.

Had Cooper had let's say Kiefer Moore as a striker, Gibbs-White as an attacking midfielder, and Ayew and Lowe on the wings...?
Laudrup must look at our performances now and cringe..
 

Jackflash

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No doubt about it, but even Laudrup wanted a prolific striker and in the summer 2013 threatened to leave if he didn't get one. One of his first signings was a goalscoring attacking midfielder.
If I remember correctly when Laudrup was requesting a striker, Jenkins took it upon himself to bring in NGog, a total disaster.
Asked later about possible signings in a interview he replied " that's a question you'd be better asking the chairman.
 
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CroJack

Key Player
If I remember correctly when Laudrup was requesting a striker, Jenkins took it upon himself to bring in NGog, a total disaster.
Asked later about possible signings in a interview he replied " that's a question you'd be better asking the chairman.
I was talking about the summer 2013 when we had a chance to sign Aubameyang, Aspas etc.
Jenkins didn't want to invest money and hesitated so Laudrup got angry and threatened to leave. Aubameyang signed for Dortmund and Aspas for Liverpool. Laudrup was also interested in Gomis. We ended up with Bony who was not Laudrup's cup of tee because Laudrup wanted pace up front, and not a tank. Bony was an excellent player but he lacked pace, and in the modern game without pace you are nothing.
 
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