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CroJack

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@Yankee_Jack The European and World Cup are not club competitions. So, in my opinion, it wouldn't matter in which LEGAL club competition a player plays. I am sure The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne, Switzerland, wouldn't allow banning players from the FIFA World Cup or UEFA European Cup just because they play in a perfectly legal European Super League. On the other hand, the country's football association could refuse to cap a player who plays in the European Super League. But I doubt any football association would do that.

FIBA (International Basketball Federation) allows American basketball players from both NBA and NCAA to be capped to the USA national basketball team. The same rule should be applied to FIFA.
 
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Yankee_Jack

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@Yankee_Jack The European and World Cup are not club competitions. So, in my opinion, it wouldn't matter in which LEGAL club competition a player plays. I am sure The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne, Switzerland, wouldn't allow banning players from the FIFA World Cup or UEFA European Cup just because they play in a perfectly legal European Super League. On the other hand, the country's football association could refuse to cap a player who plays in the European Super League. But I doubt any football association would do that.

FIBA (International Basketball Federation) allows American basketball players from both NBA and NCAA to be capped to the USA national basketball team. The same rule should be applied to FIFA.
if the perfectly legal super league is outside the framework of the FIFA system (let’s call it, i.e. it’s not a licensed league), then the organizing entity (fifa, UEFA, CONCACAF, conmebol etc) of a tournament, competition or league can determine what qualifies a player to play, and if they determine that the player must have played or been registered to play in a sanctioned league then they control. A player has no right to play in a competition for club or country, they have to be registered for a licensed club and not suspended. Like any person, a player has a right to work for whatever employer they choose, but they don’t have a right to be hired or utilized if hired.
 

Yankee_Jack

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Any case, I think it’s a strategically bad move to sanction players. There wouldn’t be a league without players, but they are pawns to some degree in this mess. The bad actors are the clubs’ ownership. These people and the clubs are the entities that should be sanctioned.

isn’t there some “fitness” clause in the ownership / licensing of a club to be in the EPL?
 

Yankee_Jack

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Media money is distributed at the end of the season. EPL sanctions now would probably include the denial of a distribution.
 

Yankee_Jack

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The Greed League is not just about a cash grab ... it's a risk / reward strategy.

Football in the classic configuration is one of the greatest risk/reward "games" ever invented. From a business perspective - there are two layers of risk - major performance risk and minor performance risk. Let's take the EPL as an example. Major performance risk = relegation; this spawns a massive financial re-engineering exercise on the whole business to stabilize the business and reorganize for the new restricted cash flow and revenue and cost structures. Minor performance risk = league position; this impacts profitability based on league position and media revenue distributions allocated based on that. Minor performance risk is a season by season event. Minor performance risk can be also be impacted by cup runs etc. A club can budget their business profitability - as does Celtic - by presuming an annual foray into the ECL. No ECL ... oh shit.

The Greed League people don't have the stomach for the risk/reward of the people's game. It's hard to manage an investment portfolio with such volatility and there is no good way to hedge. As a result, they are trying to execute a minimum risk, maximum reward strategy, and everybody else be damned. There is a vast array of externalities involved in their strategy. The Greed League people have not performed a comprehensive qualitative analysis of this nor quantified the risks involved - a full real options analysis would be practically impossible. Looks like they are or were expecting to bully their way through opposition as the 800 pound gorillas on the block. The trouble with being an 800 pound gorilla is that when you find yourself out on a limb, quite often the limb breaks.

Branding - its resilience, acceptance and tarnishment - is one of the greatest risks. If the monicker "the Greed League" sticks then the brand is DOA for a variety of reasons - other brands declining associativity so no sponsorship, audience minimization (eyeballs not watching the broadcasts) out of disgust impacting media value and merchandise value, and so on. Recovery may be possible over time, but this would be a war of attrition with no clear visibility on if never mind when the brand's acceptance would turn around.

Walking it back ... is this even possible. Can the English "Big 6" rescind their letters of intent without penalty. Listening to Gary Neville on MNF, he was of the opinion that since United's Glazier had put his name on a statement that morning, that it's now all out war with Glazier, by hook or by crook, bullying this into existence. And that gave Neville, knowing something of the personality, huge cause for concern as apparently by force of personality and expertise Glazier "always" achieves his goals and the public step-out now locks him in. There is commentary that there are members on boards of many clubs that were against this move. Internal rancor may yet turn individual ships around if sufficient public relations pressure can be brought to bare and sanctions for club (and players and coaches) can be levied as to turn the prospect of milk sour.

I can tell you that as a member of Barca, membership were not informed of this. The presidential election being the dominate issue over the previous months. This move would and is likely to have massive political ramifications within the club. The club's board were fearful of even presenting the idea of a new (complete tear down and rebuild) Camp Nou to membership for fear of a political backlash .... but this doesn't even get an "oh by the way" memo. Laporta was apparently never enthusiastic about the idea ... but here we are.

I think the biggest influences that Whitehall can have is to threaten to rescind immigration and work documents to all foreign players. Clearly, using a purely domestic squad wouldn't make City, United et al attractive to watch never mind competitive in a Greed League replete with let's say the majority of elite players playing against them - City, United et al getting hammered every week is not an attractive proposition. The only way around that would be for the English clubs to play their home matches in European stadiums and therefore avoid any work permit issues - it would require two squads. Imagine how that would go over once fans are allowed back into the stadiums.
 

CroJack

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Can the English "Big 6" rescind their letters of intent without penalty.
It's not only letters of intent. They've signed binding contracts.

Do these clubs plan on remaining in the Premier League as well as the new Super League?
Yes, but their focus will be towards the new Super League. Allegedly they don't care whether they are kicked out of the league system or not. So, let's help them and kick them out.
 

ivoralljack

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Boris has just issued a statement to the effect that he is prepared to intervene and is prepared to create legislation to deal with this. Further news filtering through.
 

Yankee_Jack

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Depending on how this pans out, you could see the biggest exodus of an asset class by fat cats ever. The Greed people are not going to stick around in a compromised position.
 

CroJack

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@CroJack ... where is it reported that they have binding contracts and not just letters of intent ... would there be a difference?
The Super League chairmain and Real Madrid president Perez said earlier today that they all signed binding contracts for the next 23 years. And they signed them last Saturday.
 
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Yankee_Jack

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The Super League chairmain and Real Madrid president Perez said earlier today that they all signed binding contracts for the next 23 years. And they signed them last Saturday.
Wow ... ffs. So this is going to pose a problem with Barca membership for one.
 

CroJack

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I think the greedy owners have underestimated the power of the domestic fans, national FA, FIFA and UEFA.

They are in a deep shit now. The fans will unite to fight them and you know how crazy British fans can be. There will be violence. There will be total fan boycots. I am pretty sure Klopp will resign, and the players will be unhappy because playing in a new league is not in their contracts. And what are Liverpool without Klopp and the Kop?
 
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