The Swans v The Riversiders

ivoralljack

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Walsh NOT impressed and neither am I from what I'm hearing and reading. Guess Fulton will be on his way now. Martin doesn't rate him so he needed to be virtually faultless in every game and he wasn't today. But it seems that no one is playing particularly well and that's down to one man. Step forward and take a bow, Russell Martin. Btw, Walsh just said that if Martin tries to say that we dominated the game, serious questions will be asked. And now we go 0-3 down and Walsh also said it's a fair reflection of the game and lots of hard work needs to be done with this team for sure, that we can't wait for this game to finish. Says it all!
 

Yankee_Jack

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Fulton made one mistake and he recovered his mistake, they scored because nobody else backed him up and gave shit to get goal side of rovers’ scorer and others.
 

Yankee_Jack

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From BBC, 29% possession, 4/5 shots on target, 3 goals. Rovers bettered Rotherham, and it’s really so easy to beat us. We offer nothing offensively.

players make a pass then watch or walk…. Wtf is that. Robertson … no our most favorite son … said there were too many passengers on the field … statues more like it.
 

CroJack

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We have to start playing 10 at the back, abandon this slow passing crap, constantly hoof the ball, and start doing what other teams are doing to us....or, we'll be relegated.
 

ivoralljack

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Ian Walsh was literally laughing in disbelief at the end. He was saying: look at them, 3-0 down and they're still passing the ball on the halfway line and in their own half. They should at least be getting the ball forward quickly to get something out of the game. It was mentioned that fans started streaming out of the stadium long before the end and that Martin had a lot of hard work to do with this team.

His excuse last season was that he had little time for preparation. He can't claim that this season and also he's brought in players of his choice and got rid of others he didn't want. So, it's all down to him. I'd sack him tomorrow but my choice to replace him, Cameron Toshack, would hardly leave a Premier League club to come back to this pig's guts of a mess at the Liberty.
 

ivoralljack

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As a postscript, despite his failings, I would add that Steve Cooper during his time with us looked like a genius compared with what we're stuck with now.
 

CroJack

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It seems Martin told our players that passing alone will win them games. No running, agression, pace, commitment, moving, ball carrying, dribbling...

No matter what style of football you play if you don't run, if you are not agressive, if you don't run with pace, if you don't move the ball quickly, if you are not moving, carrying the ball, dribbling...you'll be losing your games.
 

CroJack

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Here is what Swansea's Comical Ali said in his post-match interview:

- punished for mistakes

Of course. But those mistakes don't come from out of blue, they are result of tactical mistakes and stupid style of football

- small details and moments not quite good enough

It is structural, this is not about "small details"

- they had four shots on target and scored three goals

This stat just shows that we give away high quality chances, and I have to repeat it's structural

- I'd argue we had better periods in front of goal, especially in that period early in the second half

Yeah, "small details and small moments"

- We have to make the most of them

The most of what? We didn't create a single clear-cut chance. It's structural. We give away high quality chances and we create low quality chances.

- their second goal was a real sucker punch really

No shit Sherlock.

- so much control, so much dominance, we make a mistake in the first half

We neither controlled nor dominated the game. Blackburn did.

- we wanted to be quicker but we played against the team who sit behind the ball deep in their own half, which makes it really difficult - any team in the world would struggle to break them down - so we have to do a bit work on that

Playing quicker has nothing to do with the opposition sitting deep.

- we make another mistake in the second half

And???

- it's a really tight space to work in

But your football wants the opposition to sit tight in their own half, so that shouldn't be a surprise, and certainly not an excuse

- second half, we come out, a good energy, a lot of chances

A lot of chances???? Did I watch a different game???

- the crowd really good

The Liberty was like a morgue for the vast majority of the game

- their second goal I can't really explain, the ball falls down in the middle of the pitch and we don't have anyone there. So lack of detail, lack of structure and anxiety that's not being managed at that moment well enough

Why is that?

- they have two best players in the league playing that way, counter-attacking

And what did you do to counter that?

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I didn't want to listen anymore to that crap.
 
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CroJack

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As a postscript, despite his failings, I would add that Steve Cooper during his time with us looked like a genius compared with what we're stuck with now.
It's easy to play defensive football in the Championship but not so much in the Premier League where there is much more creativity, speed, and quality. Forest conceded 2 goals away at Newcastle yesterday and had it not been for Henderson's miracle saves they could and should've conceded 6. Imagine what will Manchester City do to Cooper's Forest?

Newcastle 26 shots to Forest 5
Newcastle 10 shots on target to Forest 0
Newcastle 11 corners to Forest 1
Etc.
 

Yankee_Jack

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What’s worse is that the players have had all the pride, autonomy, and urgency “coached” out of them. Surely at some point late in the game, the players realizing that they are getting nowhere, exercise their professional independence, trash the “plan”, and start going for it. But nothing.

during the mic’d training speech, Martin stated that we train as we play …. I’d love to see what a training session looks like
 
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ivoralljack

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I was reading that a lot of players were in the Gin and Juice in Mumbles last night celebrating as if they'd won 3-0 and not lost by the same score. It would be great to think they'd heard that Russell Martin was leaving and a proper manager coming in.
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
Celebrating !?!
Yesterday was a performance so inept that it could be considered probably 3 main ways: players rigidly conforming to the plan that’s just a bad plan and the players ill-prepared; players just not good enough; or players deliberately sabotaging the management plan,

the last one is a possibility, it would account for the celebration, but I don’t think they could be that coordinated.
 
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