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Jackflash

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Scrime is a name I heard of long long ago. Didn’t he hail from the Hafod area of town.
Think the name was deffo Scrine pretty sure he was a local, used to read his name a lot as it was also my job on a Saturday evening after 6pm to get the Evening Post edition of the Sporting Post from the local newsagent and Scrine would often be in the headlines. it:s amazing me as we talk about these things how it jolts you memory. Other names have started popping up., a little later there were the Beech brothers, Gilbert & Cyril. one was a full back and think the other a winger, can't remember which was which.
 

ivoralljack

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There was Trevor Ford who became a British record transfer fee. Trevor was a really physical centre forward, an old-fashioned #9 who'd joyously flatten anything in his way. And let's not forget Curt's uncle, Roy Paul, a granite hard wing half who was a top, top footballer. He was probably one of the toughest ever British footballers and captained Manchester City in the old First Division.

City (reduced to 10 men) were beaten 1-3 by Newcastle in the 1955 Cup Final but were there again the following year playing Birmingham City. It was probably Paul's last chance of a winner's medal. True story this: with both teams lined up in the tunnel waiting to go on to the pitch, Paul turned to face his team and, with a massive clenched fist in the air, he warned them that if anyone cost him his winner's medal that afternoon, he'd belt them with it after the game!!

City went on to win 3-1 and it was the game in which keeper Bert Trautmann, an ex POW who had stayed in England after the war to play for City, broke his neck diving at the feet of a Brummie striker and then CONTINUED PLAYING, despite the fact that any further jarring of his neck would literally have killed him there and then. One can only applaud his bravery and you can see the story of his life after the war in a biopic that I recently saw on tv. Well worth a watch.
 

Jackflash

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There was Trevor Ford who became a British record transfer fee. Trevor was a really physical centre forward, an old-fashioned #9 who'd joyously flatten anything in his way. And let's not forget Curt's uncle, Roy Paul, a granite hard wing half who was a top, top footballer. He was probably one of the toughest ever British footballers and captained Manchester City in the old First Division.

City (reduced to 10 men) were beaten 1-3 by Newcastle in the 1955 Cup Final but were there again the following year playing Birmingham City. It was probably Paul's last chance of a winner's medal. True story this: with both teams lined up in the tunnel waiting to go on to the pitch, Paul turned to face his team and, with a massive clenched fist in the air, he warned them that if anyone cost him his winner's medal that afternoon, he'd belt them with it after the game!!

City went on to win 3-1 and it was the game in which keeper Bert Trautmann, an ex POW who had stayed in England after the war to play for City, broke his neck diving at the feet of a Brummie striker and then CONTINUED PLAYING, despite the fact that any further jarring of his neck would literally have killed him there and then. One can only applaud his bravery and you can see the story of his life after the war in a biopic that I recently saw on tv. Well worth a watch.
As you mentioned Trevor Ford, Ivor, think I've told this before, when he played for the Swans he spent a lot of time living with his aunt in the next street to me,( Reginald St.} Port Tennant, and would have a pint in the Union Inn just a hundred yards or so down the road, When he moved to Villa he would still visit his aunt and have his pint in the Union during closed season, one of the things he enjoyed most in the pub was showing other customers the Aston Villa rule book he carried with him. He would turn to a certain page which stated ' No sexual intercourse after 10-30 pm on a Thursday until after the Saturday game.
As you say ,a very physical player who would always try and play with his back to the keeper when receiving the ball, then it was keeper and ball in the net.
 

ivoralljack

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As you mentioned Trevor Ford, Ivor, think I've told this before, when he played for the Swans he spent a lot of time living with his aunt in the next street to me,( Reginald St.} Port Tennant, and would have a pint in the Union Inn just a hundred yards or so down the road, When he moved to Villa he would still visit his aunt and have his pint in the Union during closed season, one of the things he enjoyed most in the pub was showing other customers the Aston Villa rule book he carried with him. He would turn to a certain page which stated ' No sexual intercourse after 10-30 pm on a Thursday until after the Saturday game.
As you say ,a very physical player who would always try and play with his back to the keeper when receiving the ball, then it was keeper and ball in the net.
When he retired he bought a really nice detached house in Derwen Fawr just around the corner from my then sister-in-law. Never met Trevor but I'd like to have. We'd have got on! :LOL:
 

ivoralljack

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Brentford's style is what we should aspire to. They play football like us plus plus. We need their intensity, their pace of pass, their physicality and their fitness. Sounds like a lot to ask but it's really not. Gaining the footballing ethic is the hardest to achieve but the rest can be done in training. It will take time but it surely can be done.
 

ivoralljack

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Cardiff really are sinking at a rate of knots. Having lost 6 of the previous 7 games, last night made 4 defeats on the bounce yet MM selected FIVE Cbs in his lineup with Kiefer Moore on the bench. The net has almost caught fire with the rage that so many Cardiff fans have expressed; some saying that recent performances have been the worst in 20 years!! Now that takes some doing!!!

For the second week running the Cardiff ratings have been awash with 2s, 3,s and 4s. Against WBA the 'star' player was awarded just FOUR. I'm not gloating because we have our own severe test tonight against Fulham but I hope we at least show some fight and character.
 

ivoralljack

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Had a treat tonight and watched highlights of a game on the Big Match Revisited from 16 December 1979 when the Swans went to Chelsea who were chasing promotion from the old Second Division. The game was played on a soft pitch that cut up really badly making good football almost impossible but it was still a decent watch invoking loads of nostalgia. The Swans team was:

1 Glan Letheren 2 David Giles 3 Dave Rushbury 4 Jeremy Charles 5 Leighton Phillips 6 Nigel Stevenson (Speedy) 7 John Mahoney 8 Brian Attley 9 Robbie James 10 Alan Waddle 11 Ian Callaghan 12 Jimmy Loveridge, who was 17 years old having signed pro terms just a couple of weeks previously. We lost the game 0-3. The first was a total fluke, a shot being entirely mishit and landing right at the feet of a striker who scored easily.

We had goalkeeping problems even then. Glan Letheren went for a ball that had looped into the air off a deflection and was beaten to it by a Chelsea forward. Thing is, Glan's feet NEVER EVEN LEFT THE GROUND and I replayed it to be sure of what I'd seen. Luckily no goal was scored from it. But later on a ball was played down the middle and Speedy and a Chelsea striker were contesting it in a chase towards our goal. Letheren came way out of the box, slid in, missed the ball completely and wiped Speedy out leaving the striker to run on and score in an empty net. I think I'd have done better!! ;)

Robbie James hit the crossbar after leaving a defender on his arse in the box and Jeremy Charles hit a post in another attack prompting presenter Brian Moore to say at the end that we were hard done-by by the scoreline. It was grand to see Robbie playing again along with some of the others and it would only be a couple of years before we won promotion to the First Division ourselves. Great memories. :)
 

ivoralljack

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Really enjoying The Big Match Revisited. General feeling watching now is the high level of skill the players show playing on atrocious surfaces. Even when there's grass, which isn't often, the surface is rutted and cuts up badly. Saw a game played at Derby's old Baseball ground, which was described as the worst playing surface in British football by the commentator. He wasn't kidding!! 😲 Honestly, it resembled a mud-covered ploughed field yet the players managed to produce an enjoyable game of quality with no diving or histrionics. Speaking of which, whilst I enjoy the skill and flair of foreign players, they introduced a culture of diving and cheating that ruins the game today as everyone adopted it rather than lose out to those who were always at it. Me? I've decided that I would rather ditch all foreign players and get back to the old standards. Not saying that British players are/were blameless in this regard but there was so much less of it in the past and the game was FAR more honest.

Certain things make me chuckle. Some grounds had the equivalent of concrete dog kennels as a dug-out and it's hilarious to see three people being squeezed into a space intended for two - the manager, the trainer and the one sub!! It really looks funny especially compared with today's plush affairs with padded seats and room for an army. :D

As for players, in retrospect I've amended my opinion about many. For instance, Terry Yorath, complete with blond moustache, was a hell of a player when he was at Spurs. A real leader his movement and passing was superb, his positioning invariably excellent and his tackling ferocious. I'd say a £30/40 million player in today's market. Then there was Welsh international Peter Nicholas at Palace (then a top 6 team!) who was a non-stop, box-to-box midfielder, tackled anything and had a really wicked shot. Former Swan Ian Walsh was in the same team, managed by Terry Venables, and he was a mobile and useful #9 as we saw when he played for us.

Then there was Peter Shilton, who considering his massive reputation, could be quite dodgy at times and used to get a lot of stick from his own fans. A great shot stopper, I've noticed that he could be often quite flaky in the air and, thinking about it, his losing out to Maradonna in that infamous 'Hand of God' incident, wasn't that much of a surprise.

My final thought is that football was a better game in those days and this isn't a case of an oldie preaching about how things were so much better years ago. Apart from horrendous pitches, I far prefer the game as it was. It was more honest somehow with far fewer prima-donnas infesting its ranks. Games were closer affairs with more end to end stuff to thrill the spectator. Of course, the richer teams who could afford better quality players, usually came out on top but not in such a one-sided way that you see today. Most games were tight affairs and not the foregone conclusion that so many are today. I mean, what are the chances of Manchester United, Chelsea, Spurs and Manchester City being relegated today? Fcuk all is the answer to that!! Yet during the 70s/80s ALL of them were relegated at some point; and I believe Citeh even dropped to the third tier. Yup, it's yesteryear for me all day and every day.
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
NEWCASTLE UTD TAKE OVER.
Amnesty International are to appeal to FIFA to change the rules regarding these ownership takeovers on human rights issues.
Fans have been protesting at the present owner Mike Ashley about lack of investment.
It's just been announced the £ 300M takeover has just been completed. Making them the richest football club in the world.
 

KVetch

Key Player
That could have been us. A £5 billion transfer budget lol. It will be interesting to see how far they can go now.
 
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