Goalkeepers

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
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Aren't they mollycoddled these days? Was chatting to @Ladygargar this aver and she mentioned that De Gea was lucky not to have conceded that last gasp goal against Spain, deemed to having been fouled by Welbeck. She's right, of course. Keepers are WAY overprotected in the modern game and have been for years. You only have to look at the buggers and they promptly throw themselves on the ground and start squirming as though they've been shot. Pathetic!

When I first started playing, keepers were given no such consideration and often had to be the toughest member of the team because of the rough-house attention they got from opposing centre forwards who were usually pretty burly types. Typical of what went on was the second goal scored for Bolton against Manchester United in the 1958 Cup Final at Wembley. Younger posters will be amazed that this sort of thing was commonplace in British football at the time whereas foreign keepers were virtually untouchable when playing in their own domestic leagues. This gradually seeped into our game.

Points of interest from the following video. United's Colin Webster went on to play for the Swans and he was a tough little so and so. In this final, he flattened a Bolton player off the ball, which the commentator missed and thought was an accident. He flattened many players in his time with us in cahoots with another like minded player in Brayley Reynolds. Lethal twosome they were!! Harry Gregg, the United keeper and hero of the Munich plane crash the year before, became Swansea manager when he finished playing. Alex Dawson, the United forward, scored Preston's semi final leveller against us from the penalty spot in 1964. And finally, Eddie Hopkinson the Bolton keeper, was one of the top stoppers in the game during his career despite standing just 5ft 8" tall. He also got 14 caps for England.

 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
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Poor United had little luck with goalkeepers in FA Cup Finals. The year before the famous Busby Babes met Aston Villa at Wembley and their keeper, Ray Wood, was charged by Peter McParland and had his jaw broken. I reckon it was a foul even by the standards in those days and that McParland should have been sent off. He only appeared to have one intention and that was to 'do' the United keeper, which he did. Getting United down to 10 men (no subs) was about the only chance Villa had of beating the star studded kids of United and the irony was that McParland, responsible for doing it, scored the two Villa goals that beat United. Blanchflower, a CB, went in goal and Wood the keeper eventually reappeared on the right wing but only as a presence. He went off again then back on but the damage had been done.

Tragically, many of those Busby Babes, fine young men and hugely talented footballers, were to die in the Munich air disaster not long after. They included Roger Byrne (England captain), Tommy Taylor (great England centre forward), the peerless youngster and man mountain Duncan Edwards (rated by many as England's greatest ever prospect/player) and others. Bobby Charlton survived as did Harry Gregg and Kenny Morgans who would later play for the Swans but as a shadow of the player he once was. The average age of those kids was just 24 and it is difficult to imagine how great a team United would have had if those lads had survived. Tragic doesn't begin to describe it and it's from there that the huge support for Manchester United began.

Against all odds, they reached the final again in 1958 (as described above) with Welshman Jimmy Murphy managing them whilst Matt Busby was recovering from his injuries. They virtually had to sign an entire team just to get through the season and getting to Wembley was almost a miracle in itself given that they were a patched up team of strangers. But here is the 'taking out' of goalkeeper Ray Wood in one of the last recorded games of the Busby Babes in action. Modern keepers should watch it and give thanks for the cotton wool ride they now enjoy.

 

Borini

Key Player
I remember David Gwyther barging Tony Millington ( who later played for us) over the line under the old double decker to claim his hat trick ( may have been against Rotherham but I can't remember clearly!).
 

Yankee_Jack

Key Player
One of the original purposes of the 6 yard box was to mark an area that afforded some protection to the keeper when he was holding the ball, i.e. he couldn't be charged in the Trevor Ford style. But, it seems from one of the goals in the video that Gregg got bundled over the goal line when he didn't have full control of the ball and Lofthouse was granted a "professional courtesy" by the ref.
 

Ladygargar

Fox in the Box
Staff member
I explained to @ivoralljack this afternoon when he asked if I remembered a certain game I have no ‘ ‘football memory’ I love each game I watch (or not) and I’m immersed for the duration of the game, but when it’s over it’s over and the file is mostly deleted from my memory - with a few notable exceptions.

One goalie I do remember however was good old Glan Letheren; for his abundance of hair, his gangly legs and most of all for consistently being in the wrong place at the wrong time; most often out of his area when he should’ve been in it.

One day when I was working in a local medical surgery, said Goalie strode in and announced himself for his appointment and after showing him to the waiting room and much consideration of files and lists later I was able to ascertain that he was in fact, on time; but not at our surgery - he was due at one at ‘the other end’ of the road.

You couldn’t write it could you?:LOL:
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
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Trevor Ford scored as many goals by putting the keeper and ball in the back of the net as he did with his feet.
Great old fashioned centre forward was Fordie and worth a transfer fortune in his day. And he did like to dink the odd keeper over the line.
 
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