KVetch
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Guehi looked like he had some good moments but 4 goals come on. Rodon could have gotten a win.
TO HULL AND BACK
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All too often Woodman tries to impersonate his name! Beginning to have my doubts about him.
As for the game, as usual I called it right when I reckoned it would be a low scoring affair
. Don't really know what to say otherwise. We gifted them goals and invited them on when we finally had the lead. Suicide for us as we never have been very good at defending a lead. Whatever, we couldn't beat a team who had only 1 point from 18 and was decimated by injury. Just as well they didn't have their first team out I suppose. Better display than against QPR but anything would have been better than that. An away point is usually always acceptable but I feel a keen sense of disappointment tonight. Let's hope the youngsters have learned something from this.IanABS94
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Geuhi is fucking awful. Had a role to blame in all four goals, Wilmot as well was all over the shop. Shocking defending today. Pathetic.
Yankee_Jack
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Andy Pandy’s pets not getting it done at the back. Where does the pet master go now.
Why was he so dismissive of our goals today instead of showing pleasure or satisfaction. They were all genuinely good goals.
Instead of shouting encouragement or exhortation to focus and stay organized, he turned his back on one, and his blank face became ever more blank .... is that even possible, apparently so.
Why was he so dismissive of our goals today instead of showing pleasure or satisfaction. They were all genuinely good goals.
Instead of shouting encouragement or exhortation to focus and stay organized, he turned his back on one, and his blank face became ever more blank .... is that even possible, apparently so.
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Yankee_Jack
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Here is a mixed tape ... high lights and low-lights ...Highlights | Hull City v Swansea City | Swansea
Is Woody getting worse or does it just look like he really has no positioning sense between his posts or relative to the situation. He reacts late and doesn't appear to be fully committed.
And, if it wasn't apparent by the low-lights ... Rodon and Cabango would be the superior pairing at CB.
Is Woody getting worse or does it just look like he really has no positioning sense between his posts or relative to the situation. He reacts late and doesn't appear to be fully committed.
And, if it wasn't apparent by the low-lights ... Rodon and Cabango would be the superior pairing at CB.
CroJack
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Of course he reacts late when his positioning is poor. Goalkeepers have to make themselves bigger by stepping forward when they face shots. He doesn't do that. Jesus, it's basics again we are talking about. Our defendees fail to do the basic things, and now our goalkeeper is joining them. Pity, because Gallagher, Ayew, Brewster and Garrick are good and all of them can assist and score.
Yankee_Jack
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The league table is now beginning to reflect reality. We are dropping. Cardiff are climbing. Promotion hopes are slim to none. Promotion would now almost require to club produce points like they did in August. Fat chance!
CroJack
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We have to sort out our defence. Play Mulder, Mike/Cabango and Rodon, and we have a chance.
Exactly Yankee, our league position can no way be attributed to our management coaching skills.We have won just 5 games of our past 20. losing two of them by 5 goals. our last game see us score 4 goals but only to concede 4. It hurts to say it but Cardiff are where they are on their own merits, by winning games.
Can we expect a anything different in the remainder of the season? I think not, without changes at grass roots level. They obiously can't be happy with the present situation but their selection has made the three of them very elusive at the moment. As I said previously, as much as I hated Jenkins, there's no way he would have employed Cooper.
Yankee_Jack
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This has to be the most damning statement of the season ... perhaps even the last decade.
And, I have to agree. Jenkins, whether by sheer luck or judgement, found a string coaches in Martinez, Sousa, Rogers, and Laudrup that were class acts (for the most part), added value and moved us forward. What or whomever forced the firing of Laudrup, from that point the magic spell was broken and we've been tumbling ever downward to the bottom of the barrel ever since.
As much as I bemoaned the hiring of BoBo and disparaged him for his lack of presser acumen and work product (he tried to teach Leon to pass???), I have even less regard for Andy Pandy ... and shake my head in disbelief that the club would make a hiring decision based on money not football. There is no way his hiring was a football decision, or we really are in much deeper shit than it appears.
I recognized at the time of his hiring that this was an abysmal choice doomed to failure - coaching kids at any level and coaching seniors in one of the most demanding leagues in Europe are worlds apart. I tilted at the mirage of August's results and was ready to eat crow ... but my original prognostication sadly came true and Andy Pandy's limitations came on full force with the beginning of the Shit Streak in September.
Andy Pandy has been successful in one thing only, and that is gathering around him kids from his one and only triumph. Unable to get the senior pros to perform, or respect him, or buy in to what he thought he wanted to do, he resorted to dispatch the seniors on loan or on frees to other clubs and turned to the kids. Players are shadows of what they were under Potter. He moved the captaincy from VDH to Grimes ... Grimes badly lacks the substance for that role.
The casket is in the grave of yet another dismal season - despite the carcass still scratching at the lid. Shovel in the dirt and plant the head stone. Here lies the season of Andy Pandy, died of heart failure following a 9 month coma.
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The problem with Cooper is that during that World Cup he was handling OTHER CLUB'S KIDS. They came to him ready prepared and at a stage of fitness they had already achieved under their parent club's coaches. All Cooper had to do was fine tune them and they were good to go. But let's give him credit as well because the WC at any level is difficult to win and that's exactly what he did. His brief was to win the competition and he delivered.
The problem, however, is that competition within that bubble can scarcely be compared to a season in the Championship where he is responsible for a whole lot more things (training routines, tactics, fitness, team selection, use of subs etc etc) over a much longer period pitting his ability against some seasoned, experienced and capable managers who have EARNED THE RESPECT OF THEIR SENIOR PLAYERS.
I get the sense that our senior players don't respect him in the same way mainly because many of them have far more experience of league football than he does. It's not a question that they dislike him, imo it's more a case of there's some doubt in their minds about his ability at this level. That seems to manifest itself in the way we perform where we have patches of play when we do really well but then we revert to a stuttering, error-ridden nightmare where we hand the opposition the spoils that they haven't had to work hard to get.
Cooper might well turn out to be a very competent manager but, right now, he isn't and that will likely cost us a play-off tilt at promotion.
The problem, however, is that competition within that bubble can scarcely be compared to a season in the Championship where he is responsible for a whole lot more things (training routines, tactics, fitness, team selection, use of subs etc etc) over a much longer period pitting his ability against some seasoned, experienced and capable managers who have EARNED THE RESPECT OF THEIR SENIOR PLAYERS.
I get the sense that our senior players don't respect him in the same way mainly because many of them have far more experience of league football than he does. It's not a question that they dislike him, imo it's more a case of there's some doubt in their minds about his ability at this level. That seems to manifest itself in the way we perform where we have patches of play when we do really well but then we revert to a stuttering, error-ridden nightmare where we hand the opposition the spoils that they haven't had to work hard to get.
Cooper might well turn out to be a very competent manager but, right now, he isn't and that will likely cost us a play-off tilt at promotion.
CroJack
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He employed Monk and Clement, he failed to employ Bielsa and Koeman, and he approved Bradley's appointment. He sacked Laudrup and Guidolin.
F*** Jenkins.
Instead of appointing Cooper we should have gone to Italy last summer and begged Guidolin to come back. He has promoted many Seria B teams to Serie A and is known for his work with young, talented players. The man has a huge experience and he has previously worked under difficult circumstances: lack of investments, crazy owners...you name it.
Yankee_Jack
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Guidolin would have been a good bet.
ABSOLUTELY agree!! And an amusing consequence is that we might get @Rainbow back posting regularly with us.
Yankee_Jack
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There was no one more F**C Jenkins than me, but that doesn't detract from the point I made that i don't think he would have employed Cooper.
Of the ones you say that he sacked and didn't employ, or of those he did. I think it's worth remembering this was when Jenkins himself was in the employment of the Yanks himself, his future was already decided, and Bielsa and Koeman would have been a financial no from them. from then on Monk, Clement etc. etc. fitted the bill for one reason only, finance. In the same instance maybe we should also be saying F*** Birch & Co., as I think Cooper was employed for finacial reasons,He who pays the piper calls the tune.
CroJack
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Not so sure about that. He lost the plot long time ago.