Swansea v Northampton

[KVetch]

Now I understand. Wilmot assisted for Ayew's second goal. All stats sites rate goals and assists highly.

I've never looked at the formula for match ratings before. Is it pretty standard across all sites?

 

[CroJack]

I've never looked at the formula for match ratings before. Is it pretty standard across all sites?

Yes, most of them use the same stats from Opta. As much as I can see goals, assists, blocks, saves and key-passes are most important to them when they rate players. I've seen examples where a striker was crap during a match, then scored two scrappy goals and got a high rating. It's like robots rate players. I don't like it.

Nothing better than to watch the game and combine that with stats that matter. For example, when we remove sideway and backward passes from the stats then we only have forward passes left. And when you compare forward passes map between Mike Van der Hoorn and Joe Rodon (see the thread Mike Van der Hoorn is an animal) then you can see how much better Mike is than Rodon. Rodon plays a safe game, vast majority of his forward passes are medium length diagonal passes to Bidwell and Roberts. Nothing risky. Mike, on the other hand, has a great range of forward passing, he is our most creative defender. I have a feeling that the stats sites don't rate this properly:

 

[Yankee_Jack]

How do Cabango and Wilmot rate in comparison to the two above.

 

[CroJack]

How do Cabango and Wilmot rate in comparison to the two above.

Can't say because there isn't a replay of the Carabao Cup game.

 

[Yankee_Jack]

Can't say because there isn't a replay of the Carabao Cup game.

From the data perspective

 

[CroJack]

From the data perspective

Apart from SofaScore stats there isn't any real data available.

What really interests me is:

• Forward passes
• Forward runs with the ball
• How good a defender is at man-marking
• How good a player is at reading the game
• (Aerial) duels
• Blocks
• Dirty tricks defenders use when they defend
• How do they use their physicallity when they defend
• Positioning
• Link-up and build-up play
• How calm a defender is when under pressure, does he tend to clear the ball and lose the possession, or if he has ability to pass the ball in tight spaces

As you can see SofaScore covers not so much, only duels, blocks, tackles, pass accuracy and long balls.

 

[KVetch]

There's only been a couple of games but it seems like Cooper has Van derHoorn going forward more than last season.

 

[ivoralljack]

There's only been a couple of games but it seems like Cooper has Van derHoorn going forward more than last season.

It'll be interesting to see the type of game VdH will be instructed to play against the 'better' teams. But why not let him continue as he is as he's shown he's capable of picking telling passes as the posts from @CroJack have demonstrated.

 

[CroJack]

It'll be interesting to see the type of game VdH will be instructed to play against the 'better' teams.

Against Derby he didn't have the same end product when it comes to long forward passes.