Possible Jordon Ayew return.
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Yankee_Jack
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No thank you. He couldn’t wait to get out ... fuck him, he can sit on the bench at palace.
That move was doomed from the start. Palace wanted a scorer, and Ayew has a scoring record that makes late-period Emile Heskey look like Gerd Muller. I still think he's an excellent "pressing forward" for teams that play with one, but outside Liverpool, I'm not sure anyone in British football does...
Behindthegoal
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So, what do you think about Ayew J. coming back? No fence sitting, please!
He's our player whether we like it nor not, and would be coming back in five months time. Being Palace took him on a full season loan are they responsible for a full seasons wages? If so then the remaining five months could be negotiable percentage wise, and could be cheap. Quite honestly I'd rather have him sitting on the bench than Bony or even Montero with their constant injury problems.
After the way he forced his way out of our club I have little time for the man. But there's no doubting that he could do a job for us. He was one of our most effective players in the PL and I think our demise started when he was red carded at Huddersfield and we lost him for some games. Wasn't the same player when he came back. And we weren't the same team.
So, being as mercenary as he is, if we could get some benefit from him I'd have him back. Use him then get rid to suit us but I have no affection for him. He lost that with his attitude and went from being one of my favourite players to an object of contempt.
So, being as mercenary as he is, if we could get some benefit from him I'd have him back. Use him then get rid to suit us but I have no affection for him. He lost that with his attitude and went from being one of my favourite players to an object of contempt.
CroJack
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No from me. This season is not about players, it's about style of play. I'd rather have a strong and pacey defensive midfielder who is also a good passer. We have only Grimes, and if he gets injured I don't want to see Fer again in the defensive midfield. You all know how much I like Fer's forward passing and runs with the ball but he simply doesn't have pace to track back and counter counter-attacks. Carroll is too soft to play in the defensive midfield, and Fulton is not the best passer. We need a left full-back as well. A couple of players on loan would do it. If Bony goes then we need another striker, a clinical one, not Ayew.
Didn't Ayew top score for us last season in the Premier League? And Tammy 'robbed' him of another when he tapped in a ball that was going in anyway after Ayew had done all the hard work. And his total wasn't inflated by a glut of 'gimmee' penalties either. I would imagine that Ayew would be even more effective at Championship level and his close control to beat a man also set up many chances for us.
And let's not forget the literally phenomenal amount of ground he covered each week in our cause when he often topped the League charts for most sprints during a game and was rarely out of the top three. I imagine that Potter could put such effort to good use, particularly as Ayew also likes a tackle being pretty near the top of the League list for most fouls committed during the season.
I no longer like Ayew as a man but that doesn't blinker me in respect of what he could offer if he did return to the fold. That said, I don't think it's going to happen for a number of reasons.
If he’s all we get from this window - he can warm the bench - we are in the beggars rather than choosers camp after all......
Yankee_Jack
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I disagree .... we were beggars in the Prem especially after we switched from Laudrup to Monk era and the downward spiral that ensued. At this level and with Potter, we pulled Celina from City - a quality player with excellent upside - who delivers value now and is investment grade with good return down the road. We need Celina types, not Ayew types.
The risk of going after Ayew types is will they actually make a contribution and at what cost - acquisition and payroll. Look at John .... what has he really contributed. He has not challenged for a position and with Olsson crocked for the season can’t even command a LB start or place on the bench. Grimes is used before John and Connor is used on his off side.
CBR has made 3 starts, and scored our first goal in his last two games ... what more could we want. Do we need an Ayew. The knock on Ayew from my perspective is his verall quality, and a little like his brother, tends to play to his own tune rather than the team’s. Now if Andre were to return as a pure #9 that would be much more interesting ... his game against Sunderland in that role was a classic.
The risk of going after Ayew types is will they actually make a contribution and at what cost - acquisition and payroll. Look at John .... what has he really contributed. He has not challenged for a position and with Olsson crocked for the season can’t even command a LB start or place on the bench. Grimes is used before John and Connor is used on his off side.
CBR has made 3 starts, and scored our first goal in his last two games ... what more could we want. Do we need an Ayew. The knock on Ayew from my perspective is his verall quality, and a little like his brother, tends to play to his own tune rather than the team’s. Now if Andre were to return as a pure #9 that would be much more interesting ... his game against Sunderland in that role was a classic.
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CroJack
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Someone had to be the top scorer for us. 7 goals in 36 appearances is nothing to brag about and that's something a Premier League winger HAS to score over the course of a season. And Ayew played mostly up front. Nathan Dyer scored 6 goals for us in the Premier League in 2013/14 in 27 appearances.
He played for Aston Villa in the Championship in 2016/17. Scored 2 goals in 21 appearances.
No doubt Ayew is a hard worker and no doubt he likes to tackle, but he is not a clinical finisher.
Oli is a hard worker and likes to tackle, he is good in the air, and scores more at this level than Ayew. If we want a new striker then he has to be better than Oli and contribute more than Oli. Of course, I am sure Ayew would score more goals than any of our wingers if we play him on the wing, but then James would be sitting on the bench.
CroJack
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That's exactly what worries me. He makes great forward runs with the ball just to lose the ball over and over igen trying to dribble past three defenders, instead of passing the ball to players in goalscoring positions and into the spaces he created. He simply complicates too much when a simple pass is a much better solution.
CroJack
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I like him. I like his pace and his positioning.
You make some good points, CJ, but there is mitigation on Ayew's behalf.
But he did better than anyone else and it's fair to say that Dyer notched his goals in a far better, more confident team than the one Ayew played in.
That was not much of a team and everyone struggled.
I'm not suggesting for a moment that Ayew replaces Oli but I do think he would complement him quite well. He's easily as energetic as Oli, so we'd have two players sharing that load, and he's far more skillful. I think they could work together. As for Dan James, I'm a huge supporter but if he wants to get off the bench, he has to add goals to his game. That said, he could easily rotate with Ayew or they could both play wide. Thing is, if Palace intend to boot out Ayew, we might as well use him until we get rid ourselves.
CroJack
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Agreed.
Yankee_Jack
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We've scored 7 goals in 2 away games conceding only 1 goal. This is after we stopped fucking around with systems and picking teams by seemingly pulling names out of a hat. When we focus on our best - systems, teams etc - we don't have problems scoring nor preventing teams from scoring .... we have a problem with Potter's apparent attention deficit and manic desire to tamper with what works. We need a good dose of patience, consistency and stability from Potter. The rest will take care of itself. And, a number of these goals have come from secondary situations from corners and free-kicks, which is also an improvement.
Could we make the squad better, stronger, fitter ... of course. But let's not try retreads and journey men whose passion for football is self-centered and not team centered. We have Bony who is costing wages while not contributing much of anything. We have Montero who is capable of destroying full backs at this level and creating havoc ... but only in cameos. We have Narsingh who finally made it to the bench and could be more than quite effective at this level. I'm not sure we need to squander money on hopes and wishful thinking ... which is what Ayew represents IMO.
We could do with a left back ... unless John decides to up his game.
Could we make the squad better, stronger, fitter ... of course. But let's not try retreads and journey men whose passion for football is self-centered and not team centered. We have Bony who is costing wages while not contributing much of anything. We have Montero who is capable of destroying full backs at this level and creating havoc ... but only in cameos. We have Narsingh who finally made it to the bench and could be more than quite effective at this level. I'm not sure we need to squander money on hopes and wishful thinking ... which is what Ayew represents IMO.
We could do with a left back ... unless John decides to up his game.
Borini
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That's the problem.... He is a rubbish full back and only half decent going forward. We need to get rid of him.
CroJack
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He played only a couple of games. Let's hope he can improve.
LittlePuma
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If we were promoted I’d love to have André back. I don’t think Jordan will play for Potter again. If he did return we would probably just move him back out on the cheap or on loan again.
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