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ivoralljack

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Just reported that Bolton have been sold to Football Ventures, so they will not now follow the unfortunate Bury into extinction. Great news for Bolton but it's also being reported that £7 million has been put into a bank for Bury by an international consortium with the hope that the expulsion decision can now been rescinded. Hope it works out for them.
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Pleased for Bolton, Great club in their day, I remember getting Nat Lofthouse's autograph. Hopefully the FA will see sense if only for the sake of their fans and reinstate them.
 

ivoralljack

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I guess the players from EU will have the same status like Montero and other non-EU players.
Yes, that's what I thought. I doubt that EUFA would allow EU interference with the 'free' movement of footballers given the vast salaries that European footballers earn in this country and the transfer fees involved for some of them. Hell, there'd be an almighty backlash if that dried up!
 

CroJack

Key Player
Good article written by Martin Samuel in The Daly Mail.

"Roughly 25 per cent of Bury's income was provided by the Premier League solidarity system so, given what we now know of their precarious finances, the Premier League money has probably made the difference at the club for a number of years.

In 2014, Manchester City allowed Bury to use their old Carrington training ground rent-free. To lease such a site would cost in the region of £80,000 annually, but Bury were required to simply maintain the facility and pitches, which it did not do, leading to break-ins and general disrepair. At one stage the water was cut off due to unpaid bills. So how far should this assistance go?

Karl Evans, Bury's CEO under former owner Day, talked of the profligate nature of the regime.

'Stewart put out a statement that Bury was going to be a Championship club in five years' time and it ate away at him,' Evans said. 'I would say, 'This is our budget', but the managers knew which of his buttons to press, even though the club could not afford it. We had nine strikers at one stage.'

And this is what a Premier League emergency fund would subsidise? The right of Bury to have nine strikers to back up a chairman's ego-driven promise? And what would that say to the rest of the lower leagues? Spend what you like, do what you like - we'll pay.

Ipswich Town won the League the year Accrington went under; Leeds won it the year Aldershot and Maidstone went. Did that matter? Yet somehow, in 2019, it is the fault of English football's elite that Bury's owner took a gamble with money he did not have and ended up destroying the club.

So where from here? Well, plainly, the EFL needs to apply its fit and proper persons test more stringently, particularly when it appears Dale was allowed to buy Bury with many questions about his funds and plans unanswered.

Yet that would not solve any problem if he was still the only interested party. Worryingly, though, events of this nature tend to lead to calls for greater restrictions on investment as if, because Bury handled it badly, the same would be true of all owners.

The EFL's executive chair, Debbie Jevans, said she would not be averse to a salary cap. Yet why should Mansfield, and others, not be able to run a financially healthy business and then, within reason, have a little go? Not like Bury or even Bolton, just the sort of investment good business people make across all industries, when they decide it is the right moment to look upwards. The sort that gave us Bournemouth."


Read the whole article here, it's worth reading, and, in my opinion, Martin is spot on:

MARTIN SAMUEL: Don't blame the elite for the demise of Bury... their fall is their own business | Daily Mail Online
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Good article written by Martin Samuel in The Daly Mail.

"Roughly 25 per cent of Bury's income was provided by the Premier League solidarity system so, given what we now know of their precarious finances, the Premier League money has probably made the difference at the club for a number of years.

In 2014, Manchester City allowed Bury to use their old Carrington training ground rent-free. To lease such a site would cost in the region of £80,000 annually, but Bury were required to simply maintain the facility and pitches, which it did not do, leading to break-ins and general disrepair. At one stage the water was cut off due to unpaid bills. So how far should this assistance go?

Karl Evans, Bury's CEO under former owner Day, talked of the profligate nature of the regime.

'Stewart put out a statement that Bury was going to be a Championship club in five years' time and it ate away at him,' Evans said. 'I would say, 'This is our budget', but the managers knew which of his buttons to press, even though the club could not afford it. We had nine strikers at one stage.'

And this is what a Premier League emergency fund would subsidise? The right of Bury to have nine strikers to back up a chairman's ego-driven promise? And what would that say to the rest of the lower leagues? Spend what you like, do what you like - we'll pay.

Ipswich Town won the League the year Accrington went under; Leeds won it the year Aldershot and Maidstone went. Did that matter? Yet somehow, in 2019, it is the fault of English football's elite that Bury's owner took a gamble with money he did not have and ended up destroying the club.

So where from here? Well, plainly, the EFL needs to apply its fit and proper persons test more stringently, particularly when it appears Dale was allowed to buy Bury with many questions about his funds and plans unanswered.

Yet that would not solve any problem if he was still the only interested party. Worryingly, though, events of this nature tend to lead to calls for greater restrictions on investment as if, because Bury handled it badly, the same would be true of all owners.

The EFL's executive chair, Debbie Jevans, said she would not be averse to a salary cap. Yet why should Mansfield, and others, not be able to run a financially healthy business and then, within reason, have a little go? Not like Bury or even Bolton, just the sort of investment good business people make across all industries, when they decide it is the right moment to look upwards. The sort that gave us Bournemouth."

Read the whole article here, it's worth reading, and, in my opinion, Martin is spot on:

MARTIN SAMUEL: Don't blame the elite for the demise of Bury... their fall is their own business | Daily Mail Online
Certainly casts a different light on things. the Bury supporters are the losers, Bad management being the demise of many clubs over the years,
The earning 5 pence and spending 6 pence cliche is never more true than in football.
 

CroJack

Key Player
Bad management being the demise of many clubs over the years.
Yeah, wasting money on poor managers and so called 'top players'. Clueless owners and chairmen who, despite having been in football business for many years, still don't understand that there are, in long term, winning and losing styles of football.
 

CroJack

Key Player
Dan James at it again as he puts United one up against Soton. :)
Wow. My boy. When everybody was questioning him on social media I Tweeted the lad and told him to keep shooting. Many used to laugh at him and said he lacked composure in front of goal.
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Garry Monk
It's been confirmed that Monk has been appointed as the new manager of Sheffield Wednesday, replacing Steve Bruce who left for Newcastle.
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
Wednesday had started to play some tidy football. That'll come to an end now. Wish I could pick up million pound contract after million pound contract for being incompetent!! :rolleyes: It only seems to happen in football.
 

Jackflash

Midfield General
Staff member
Wednesday had started to play some tidy football. That'll come to an end now. Wish I could pick up million pound contract after million pound contract for being incompetent!! :rolleyes: It only seems to happen in football.
Certainly (no lose) appointments, five Champ. clubs in five years.Seems us sacking him worked wonders for his bank a/c
 
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Borini

Key Player
5 clubs in five years tells you all you need to know... He has been found out and sacked every year...
How do people keep giving this big mouthed failure a job?
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
Javi Gracia brutally axed by Watford and replaced by former manager Quique Sanchez Flores. What do the Watford owners expect? This is the first time that Flores has faltered and BANG he's out of a job!! No time given for him to get his team back to form, just kicked out on his arse after doing really well to get his players overachieving big time. Football has become a really soulless business.
 

KVetch

Key Player
Good article written by Martin Samuel in The Daly Mail.

"Roughly 25 per cent of Bury's income was provided by the Premier League solidarity system so, given what we now know of their precarious finances, the Premier League money has probably made the difference at the club for a number of years.

In 2014, Manchester City allowed Bury to use their old Carrington training ground rent-free. To lease such a site would cost in the region of £80,000 annually, but Bury were required to simply maintain the facility and pitches, which it did not do, leading to break-ins and general disrepair. At one stage the water was cut off due to unpaid bills. So how far should this assistance go?

Karl Evans, Bury's CEO under former owner Day, talked of the profligate nature of the regime.

'Stewart put out a statement that Bury was going to be a Championship club in five years' time and it ate away at him,' Evans said. 'I would say, 'This is our budget', but the managers knew which of his buttons to press, even though the club could not afford it. We had nine strikers at one stage.'

And this is what a Premier League emergency fund would subsidise? The right of Bury to have nine strikers to back up a chairman's ego-driven promise? And what would that say to the rest of the lower leagues? Spend what you like, do what you like - we'll pay.

Ipswich Town won the League the year Accrington went under; Leeds won it the year Aldershot and Maidstone went. Did that matter? Yet somehow, in 2019, it is the fault of English football's elite that Bury's owner took a gamble with money he did not have and ended up destroying the club.

So where from here? Well, plainly, the EFL needs to apply its fit and proper persons test more stringently, particularly when it appears Dale was allowed to buy Bury with many questions about his funds and plans unanswered.

Yet that would not solve any problem if he was still the only interested party. Worryingly, though, events of this nature tend to lead to calls for greater restrictions on investment as if, because Bury handled it badly, the same would be true of all owners.

The EFL's executive chair, Debbie Jevans, said she would not be averse to a salary cap. Yet why should Mansfield, and others, not be able to run a financially healthy business and then, within reason, have a little go? Not like Bury or even Bolton, just the sort of investment good business people make across all industries, when they decide it is the right moment to look upwards. The sort that gave us Bournemouth."


Read the whole article here, it's worth reading, and, in my opinion, Martin is spot on:

MARTIN SAMUEL: Don't blame the elite for the demise of Bury... their fall is their own business | Daily Mail Online
I don't blame the elite but it seems like the EFL and FA was all too eager to let Bury die. They should be able to take the club from the owner until it can be sold. Or they can intervene sooner. There can be a better way to deal with administration.
 

CroJack

Key Player
I don't blame the elite but it seems like the EFL and FA was all too eager to let Bury die. They should be able to take the club from the owner until it can be sold. Or they can intervene sooner. There can be a better way to deal with administration.
It's not legally possible to simply take the club from the owner.

The only way to prevent shady owners from running football clubs into the ground is, in my opinion, to put a cap on expenses to revenue ratio. A more strict version of FFP rules. Every time a club wants to sign a player, or make any kind of investment, the contract will have to be approved by the EFL and FA. You can call it a sustainability approval.
 

ivoralljack

Grizzled Veteran
Staff member
I see that the Cowley Bros have left Lincoln to take over at Huddersfield. In the long run this might not be good news for us as they have proven to be a very capable duo in the lower reaches. I thought that Terriers with their parachute payments might be a Championship force but currently languish at the foot of the table. Let's hope that any resurgence is too late to cause us problems in the race to the top - which, of course, we are currently winning. :)
 

CroJack

Key Player
I see that the Cowley Bros have left Lincoln to take over at Huddersfield. In the long run this might not be good news for us as they have proven to be a very capable duo in the lower reaches. I thought that Terriers with their parachute payments might be a Championship force but currently languish at the foot of the table. Let's hope that any resurgence is too late to cause us problems in the race to the top - which, of course, we are currently winning. :)
Good appointment. We'll probably see an immediate impact on Terriers performances, but I agree with @ivoralljack that it won't affect our chances of winning the league ;).
 
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