Corona virus
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I REALLY CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST READ THIS.
Why the UK push on face masks now.
Suddenly face masks or face coverings are becoming a feature on many peoples daily lives.
The change in advice is linked to research showing possible transmission from infected people by coughing, talking and breathing.
Is this government of ours f#cking real. I've got a six year old grand daughter who told me this on the phone a couple of months ago.
Why do they think the rest of the world has been wearing them for the past three months.
Statements like this must surely ask the question, were all of the 40,000 deaths necessary.
Why the UK push on face masks now.
Suddenly face masks or face coverings are becoming a feature on many peoples daily lives.
The change in advice is linked to research showing possible transmission from infected people by coughing, talking and breathing.
Is this government of ours f#cking real. I've got a six year old grand daughter who told me this on the phone a couple of months ago.
Why do they think the rest of the world has been wearing them for the past three months.
Statements like this must surely ask the question, were all of the 40,000 deaths necessary.
Behindthegoal
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When I was young, during another crisis, everyone was issued with a gas mask. The only time I wore it was for practice, but I sure knew proper way to use it. The problem today with face coverings is that if not used properly they’ll kill more than keep safe.
We must be instructed how to use them properly. However, like most government decisions lately, this is an on the fly statement without thought for the logistics.
We must be instructed how to use them properly. However, like most government decisions lately, this is an on the fly statement without thought for the logistics.
CroJack
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In the past three months I have seen one Chinese girl wearing face mask in Copenhagen.
A constant air flow is more effective than face masks, indoors as well. But there where there isn't any air flow, or where the air is reused in air-condition, face masks help to prevent virus load. It is interesting that the more virus you inhale the more sick you get - your body simply don't have enough time to react.
A constant air flow is more effective than face masks, indoors as well. But there where there isn't any air flow, or where the air is reused in air-condition, face masks help to prevent virus load. It is interesting that the more virus you inhale the more sick you get - your body simply don't have enough time to react.
Then am I right in thinking in the UK , in conditions of a packed tube train a mask is a benefit, however small.
Borini
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It will be of more benefit to those around you, if everyone wore one it would have to help .
Agreed Borini. No matter which way the flipped coin lands, it's a benefit. If we go back to the government statement issued a week or so back regarding compulsory wearing of masks on public transport.
The change in advice is linked to research ( I emphasise the word 'research' here) showing POSSIBLE transmission from infected people by coughing, talking and breathing.... Are the lunatics running the asylum. ( the change in advice) We are now well aware who Johnson's chief adviser is, a guy who's own personal advice is, if you feel your eyesight is suspect, put your kids in the back of the car and go for a 40 mile drive to test it.
During my sixty odd years of Conservative voting have I ever seen such a shamble of politicians.Time for a big cabinet re-shuffle me thinks, starting at No1.
Cummings is bathing in glory as being the mastermind behind exiting Brexit,also Johnson's re-election.
Brexit was decided by the public 4 years ago almost to the day. By Public common sense.
Boris Johnson's re-election against Jeremy Corbyn. Once again. By Public common sense.
What was there to mastermind.??
Just been speaking to my neighbour, Terry, over the fence and I mentioned this business of smoking being a sort of preventitive for C19, particularly as in the past few days yet another in-depth study has agreed with the findings.
Anyway, he recounted the following tale. Seems he started smoking when he was just 8 years old, the only member of his family to smoke. A few years later there was a flu epidemic and he was the only one of all his family and close friends who smoked. In those days, the doctor often made home visits and, on one of these visits to Terry's home, the GP was puzzled as to why Terry was in good rude health whilst all around him were keeling over.
Obviously Terry didn't have a clue then the GP asked him if he smoked. Terry said he did and the GP reckoned he had the answer. He explained that a virus will invariably attack a cold lung and those with warm lungs, such as smokers, very often avoided such viruses. Obviously I have no way of knowing the truth of this but Terry tells me that he rarely has colds and infections and hasn't had so much as a sniffle in the past 10 years. He also added that he took cinammon regularly as a preventitive but again I have never heard of this as being particularly beneficial in warding off bugs.
I'm definitely not an advocate of smoking, even though I do myself, as it can cause all sorts of other health problems but I thought I'd share with you.
Anyway, he recounted the following tale. Seems he started smoking when he was just 8 years old, the only member of his family to smoke. A few years later there was a flu epidemic and he was the only one of all his family and close friends who smoked. In those days, the doctor often made home visits and, on one of these visits to Terry's home, the GP was puzzled as to why Terry was in good rude health whilst all around him were keeling over.
Obviously Terry didn't have a clue then the GP asked him if he smoked. Terry said he did and the GP reckoned he had the answer. He explained that a virus will invariably attack a cold lung and those with warm lungs, such as smokers, very often avoided such viruses. Obviously I have no way of knowing the truth of this but Terry tells me that he rarely has colds and infections and hasn't had so much as a sniffle in the past 10 years. He also added that he took cinammon regularly as a preventitive but again I have never heard of this as being particularly beneficial in warding off bugs.
I'm definitely not an advocate of smoking, even though I do myself, as it can cause all sorts of other health problems but I thought I'd share with you.
CroJack
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Here is the fascinating timeline showing how the Cov-19 spread, and now almost disappeared, in Europe and excess deaths from week 9, 2020, when there were not any excess deaths, until week 21, 2020, where there are only some moderate and low excess deaths in three countries.
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Quoting from an article in the Sun today. I know it's not everyone's cuppa but it often prints interesting articles....... amongst other things.
EXPERT ERRORS
It's quite the confession - The same SAGE scientists who UNANIMOUSLY advised the Government against an earlier lockdown now say it came too late and may have killed thousands. What, then, should Boris have decided after receiving that advice on March 13?
Perhaps he should have told Britain's finest epidemiologists: "You clueless clowns don't know what you're talking about", as his prominent critics apparently believe. INSTEAD HE DEFERRED TO THEIR EXPERTISE. These same champions of hindsight now suggest #10 dithered. But they didn't. The advice was clear and UNANIMOUS. They followed it.
It's what I've been saying all along. The Government (ANY Government) is NOT qualified to make these decisions and rely on their so-called experts to provide advice and guidance in these situations. Hardly the Government's fault if this advice proves to be flawed.
Of course other mistakes have been made but in this particular case the finger of blame should be pointed elsewhere.
EXPERT ERRORS
It's quite the confession - The same SAGE scientists who UNANIMOUSLY advised the Government against an earlier lockdown now say it came too late and may have killed thousands. What, then, should Boris have decided after receiving that advice on March 13?
Perhaps he should have told Britain's finest epidemiologists: "You clueless clowns don't know what you're talking about", as his prominent critics apparently believe. INSTEAD HE DEFERRED TO THEIR EXPERTISE. These same champions of hindsight now suggest #10 dithered. But they didn't. The advice was clear and UNANIMOUS. They followed it.
It's what I've been saying all along. The Government (ANY Government) is NOT qualified to make these decisions and rely on their so-called experts to provide advice and guidance in these situations. Hardly the Government's fault if this advice proves to be flawed.
Of course other mistakes have been made but in this particular case the finger of blame should be pointed elsewhere.
Various airlines are resuming flights at Gatwick today, Easyjet, Ryanair etc. passengers are not required to keep the suggested 2 mtr. distancing, but can sit shoulder to shoulder on the aircraft. Its been agreed the filtration systems are not capable of filtering the minute virus bugs.
Aircraft travel, which made this virus a worldwide pandemic is very likely to repeat itself. There are already reports from countries who assumed they were over the worse that infection is on the increase again, China included. It's only a matter of time before the finger pointing starts at us regarding our airport restrictions over the past few months.
Aircraft travel, which made this virus a worldwide pandemic is very likely to repeat itself. There are already reports from countries who assumed they were over the worse that infection is on the increase again, China included. It's only a matter of time before the finger pointing starts at us regarding our airport restrictions over the past few months.
CroJack
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We have to learn to live with this virus. Even if the second wave comes, there won't be any new lockdowns in Europe and the USA. Otherwise we'll be dying from hunger.
CroJack
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"The Food and Drug Administration has ended its emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, the drugs the president touted in the fight against coronavirus. Mr. Trump took a 14-day regimen of hydroxychloroquine himself.
Based on the FDA's continued review of the available scientific evidence, the FDA determined the drug is "unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses," the FDA said. The administration added that "in light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other serious side effects, the known benefits "no longer outweigh the known and potential risks."
FDA ends emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID
Based on the FDA's continued review of the available scientific evidence, the FDA determined the drug is "unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses," the FDA said. The administration added that "in light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other serious side effects, the known benefits "no longer outweigh the known and potential risks."
FDA ends emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID
CroJack
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"Scientists in the UK have discovered a cheap and available treatment for COVID-19 patients.
They have described the use of common steroid drug dexamethasone as a "major breakthrough".
The drug reduced death rates by a third for patients on ventilators, and by a fifth for patients needing oxygen.
It is thought the drug could have saved between 4,000 to 5,000 lives if it had been used earlier in the pandemic.
Co-lead investigator, Peter Horby, said dexamethasone - a generic steroid widely used in other diseases to reduce inflammation - is "the only drug that's so far shown to reduce mortality - and it reduces it significantly"."
Coronavirus: 'Major breakthrough' as UK scientists find £5 steroid cuts COVID-19 deaths
I wouldn't call it a breakthrough as long as it doesn't it cure all coronavirus patients.
They have described the use of common steroid drug dexamethasone as a "major breakthrough".
The drug reduced death rates by a third for patients on ventilators, and by a fifth for patients needing oxygen.
It is thought the drug could have saved between 4,000 to 5,000 lives if it had been used earlier in the pandemic.
Co-lead investigator, Peter Horby, said dexamethasone - a generic steroid widely used in other diseases to reduce inflammation - is "the only drug that's so far shown to reduce mortality - and it reduces it significantly"."
Coronavirus: 'Major breakthrough' as UK scientists find £5 steroid cuts COVID-19 deaths
I wouldn't call it a breakthrough as long as it doesn't it cure all coronavirus patients.
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A small step, but at least a step in the right direction, especially as there's a possibility of a second wave.
Seems its more of an antidote than a cure.