Corona virus

[Yankee_Jack]

From USA:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264394565861232640

John Olivarri, mayor of Osage Beach, spoke out about the viral videos that have emerged showing over-the-top crowds at bars and restaurants at the popular lakeside destination, the Kansas City Star reported.

“My concern is for our workers and whether some of the folks that have come down might be creating a health problem for the community, absolutely,” Olivarri said. “But the only other thing that you could do would be shut it down. I don’t know how you would shut down Lake of the Ozarks. There’s no way to control that.”

Several videos posted to Twitter sparked outrage over the weekend with hundreds of revelers tightly packed at various poolside bars.

The mayor estimated that at least a dozen locations hosted the massive parties to mark the start of summer.

But he claimed there wouldn’t be enough manpower for local authorities to respond to every call about crowds over the holiday weekend.

“The businesses have some responsibility, but I’ll be real honest with you, no one thought that it was going to be easy trying to enforce some of the governor’s guidelines,” Olivarri told the newspaper.

Gov. Mike Parson has said that many businesses can reopen, including large venues, as long as they maintain about six feet between customers and staffers.

Camden County Sheriff’s Office, which patrols part of Osage Beach, said their hands are tied because there are no penalties for disregarding the rules.

It’s not often that you get to see the future .... but it’s a fair bet that what you see in that video is a bunch of soon to be sick and potentially dead people. I don’t understand why or how people are driven to commit virally assisted suicide.

 

[Jackflash]

Exactly Yankee. How can anyone be that stupid, to put their lives (and others) at risk for a couple of hours pleasure, and then expect preferential health treatment for their stupidity.

 

[Yankee_Jack]

Exactly Yankee. How can anyone be that stupid, to put their lives (and others) at risk for a couple of hours pleasure, and then expect preferential health treatment for their stupidity.

Trump can ....

The Republican National Convention is due to be held in North Carolina at the end of August. Trump wants a guarantee from the Democratic Governor that the convention can take place. He is insisting that it takes place ... or ... or .. or ... he'll move it somewhere else.

Now .... when I finished laughing my arse off at this stupidity .... I realized that I am all for the convention being allowed to proceed. Why not? Why not indeed! Who am I to deny the right of freedom of association. Definitely not I!

Why not not encourage Trump, his family and 20K Trumpistas to crowd into a auditorium, shoulder to shoulder, mask shaming anyone wearing a mask and gleefully passing C19 around like candy at a children's party .... all it would take would be a handful of asymptomatics to wreck havoc. Wouldn't it be wonderful for Mother Nature, to be a "mother" and bring down sickness and death on these unwitting fools succumbing to natural selection ... the survival of the fittest, or its corollary the demise of the unfit. Wouldn't it be the best political strategy of all time to allow your opponents to have a convention and for all electoral candidates across 50 states, their counties and municipalities to return home and become so sick they can't campaign or more devious still pass away and thereby default the election to a Democrat.

I'm all for the convention and I truly respect their sacrifice in the name of Making America Great Again.

 

[Jackflash]

Just watched Cummings feeble attempt to justify his journeys, even reading from his written statement he couldn't string three words together without bumbling. Totally unconvincing, and has already brought about a Tory resignation, this ain't gonna go away. huge damage to Johnsons credibility methinks.

 

[Yankee_Jack]

Just watched Cummings feeble attempt to justify his journeys, even reading from his written statement he couldn't string three words together without bumbling. Totally unconvincing, and has already brought about a Tory resignation, this ain't gonna go away. huge damage to Johnsons credibility methinks.

What credibility? Did I miss something?

 

[Jackflash]

What credibility? Did I miss something?

Lol. Maybe the tiny bit he had left.

 

[Behindthegoal]

I am impressed with intelligence and eloquence of the Labour Front Bench. Not Boris nor any of his cronies can hold a candle.

 

[ivoralljack]

I am impressed with intelligence and eloquence of the Labour Front Bench. Not Boris nor any of his cronies can hold a candle.

Always easier to criticise than govern mind you.

 

[Jackflash]

I am impressed with intelligence and eloquence of the Labour Front Bench. Not Boris nor any of his cronies can hold a candle.

Yes, under new leadership the Labour party is going to give Boris a run for his money, Starmer as you say BHG is far more intellectual than that idiot Corbyn. More so if Boris doesn't have Cummings sitting on his lap.

 

[Borini]

Driving 60 miles to test your eyesight, and taking your wife and child with you?

 

[ivoralljack]

Food for thought.

For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900.
When you are 14, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday with 22 million people killed. Later in the same year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you are 20. Fifty million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
When you're 29, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, global GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet.
When you're 41, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war and the Holocaust kills six million. At 52, the Korean War starts and five million perish.
At 64 the Vietnam War begins, and it doesn’t end for many years. Four million people die in that conflict. Approaching your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, could well have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
As you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends. Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? A kid in 1985 didn’t think their 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. Yet those grandparents (and now great grandparents) survived through everything listed above.
Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass.

 

[Yankee_Jack]

@ivoralljack ... you basically described my grandmother’s life, except that when she was something like 14 years old in 1917, her mother died giving birth to triplets that were the 9/10/11 th children. The new borns all passed within 24 hours. And to top that, her first born son (2nd child) died late 1920’s from pneumonia at 18 months old.

I have reflected on this a lot over the last few weeks. There’s been ample time to let it all sink in, the common connecting point being the pandemic, and the 100 years of time that have passed. It’s been sobering and inspiring to think of all that trauma borne with such grace and emotional strength by a woman of little physical stature, education, and economic means. And sadly, I’m sure that similar experiences were had by too many others.

 

[CroJack]

Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass.

It's already passing. And if our politicians and epidemiologists had been smarter, and reacted earlier, we would not have had so many deaths, especially among the elderly and vulnerable. But there are many positive things to be learned from this pandemic:

- if a similar outbreak happens again, then the country where the initial outbreak has happened will be put in a strict lockdown by the rest of the world - there won't be any mercy,

- the world population has been educated on viruses and pandemics,

- the mechanisms and plans will be put in place in order to protect hospitals and nursing homes from infections - fewer people will be dying from common flu and other respiratory viruses,

- the scientists will be able to find new antiviral drugs and vaccines in record time.

 

[Jackflash]

Food for thought.

For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900.
When you are 14, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday with 22 million people killed. Later in the same year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you are 20. Fifty million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
When you're 29, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, global GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet.
When you're 41, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war and the Holocaust kills six million. At 52, the Korean War starts and five million perish.
At 64 the Vietnam War begins, and it doesn’t end for many years. Four million people die in that conflict. Approaching your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, could well have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
As you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends. Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? A kid in 1985 didn’t think their 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. Yet those grandparents (and now great grandparents) survived through everything listed above.
Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass.

This was my mothers era, she was born in Queen Victoria's reign, 1899, and would have experienced quite a lot of what you've mentioned Ivor. I experienced WW2 with her,yet never once heard her complain,she died in 1974. It seemed thats the hand you were dealt with in life and accepted it.

 

[CroJack]

Fifty million people died from Spanish flu in those two years. Yes, 50 million.

And 300.000.000 people died from smallpox in 20th century. 300 milion.

 

[ivoralljack]

@ivoralljack ... you basically described my grandmother’s life, except that when she was something like 14 years old in 1917, her mother died giving birth to triplets that were the 9/10/11 th children. The new borns all passed within 24 hours. And to top that, her first born son (2nd child) died late 1920’s from pneumonia at 18 months old.

My Dad was one of 6 whilst my mother was one of 18!! In the middle, four of these died consecutively of diptheria, so the remaining children were known as the old and the new family given the large disparity in their ages.

 

[Behindthegoal]

Thanks guys, some encouraging and evocative posts!
Now we’re agreed C19 is just a blip, please world, can we turn our attention to saving the planet from climate disaster.

 

[Jackflash]

Thanks guys, some encouraging and evocative posts!
Now we’re agreed C19 is just a blip, please world, can we turn our attention to saving the planet from climate disaster.

Scientists are already claiming the planets overall condition has improved due to the lack of flights and ground level emissions over the past couple of months.

 

[Yankee_Jack]

I have noticed changes around where I live. More birds, geese, and ducks. There’s even a young beaver in the local pond.

 

[CroJack]

New interesting and important news from Denmark:

- Denmark has had 563 coronavirus related deaths. It doesn't mean that all of them have died from coronavirus. Actually, many of them have died with coronavirus. They have been tested positive, but died from other diseases. That's how Denmark has been recording coronavirus deaths. If you die from a heart attack, and at the same time you are tested positive on coronavirus without having any coronavirus symptoms, you will be recorded as a coronavirus victim.

- None of the healthy people under 60 have died from coronavirus. 0 deaths.

- 24 'healthy' people have died from coronavirus. 7 of them were people between 60 and 70, all others above 70. It is not known whether these people had some chronic diseases or not. It is possible that they had high blood pressure, hidden hearth diseases, asthma or were obese. Or all of that.

Conclusion

This virus is deadly for the elderly and vulnerable, mostly for the people who have underlying conditions, and that's why it's extremely important to protect hospitals, nursing homes, and the vulnerable population that doesn't require special care. Data from Britain show that obesity, high blood pressure and hearth diseases are the main risk factors.

As far as I know none of the young athletes under 35 have died from coronavirus. Bring football back.